Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bimol Mukerji

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is to delete, with no specific "keeps". It is noted that although the Calcutta Telegraph as a publication meets the reliable source criteria, this particular article does not necessarily meet the same. As Epeefleche points out, not everything in an RS is itself RS. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 00:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bimol Mukerji

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Paucity of substantial rs coverage. Zero refs. Tagged for notability for over a year. Epeefleche (talk) 09:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 16:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 12:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete So many people have gone around the world that there's nothing special about it as an achievement in itself. Even doing it with a bicycle is not especially rare. And there are countless Indians who have been around the world. So we seem to have someone who went around the world (not special) with a bike (not special) but is notable because he was Indian (which is not special). We can manage without first French/German/Italian/American/Japanese/etc globe trotter. "First Indian globe trotter" is a title that beggars belief! Emeraude (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've added a recent news source from the Calcutta Telegraph. The argument that cycling round the world in 1926 is nothing special is a bizarre one. However, according to Mukerji's book he cycled with four other people, which puts his own individual notability into some doubt! He seems to gain extra attention because he wrote the book. Anyway, according to WP the first person to cycle around the world was Thomas Stevens in 1884-6. Sionk (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that is an RS? It seems to start with a discussion of trawling the internet, and at the end asks for what appear to be reader submissions.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's certainly very dodgy journalism. It reads like someone trawled the internet to fill some column space. It misses the obvious point that the circumnavigation wasn't a solo achievement. But it's coverage in a reliable source, isn't it? Sionk (talk) 10:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having trouble divining what it is. I agree completely that The Telegraph is an RS. But not everything that appears in an RS is itself RS support. For example, letters to the editor, op ed pieces, and the like are not. This is written in such a manner that suggest it might not be written as a piece by the paper, but rather as a submission to the paper. And the bit at the end -- soliciting submissions, which should be sent to t2@abp.in -- bolsters the possibility that this is a reader submission, which is akin (IMHO) to a Letter to the Editor. Consequently, I'm not clear that it is RS support. Make sense?--Epeefleche (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cycling round the world in 1926 is definitely a great achievement. So many people have crossed the English Channel and climbed the Mount Everest. But still we remember the very first ones to take up that challenge. Globe trotting on cycle for decades through deserts, snowstorms and world war deserves better comments than not being an achievement in itself. What we need to take into account is the technology in those times, the political turmoil in pre-independent India that posed many problems in his historic journey. Bimol Mukerji did start the travel with four other people, but he was the only one to have completed the journey as the others left midway. Hence, he deservingly got the extra credit and not merely for writing the book. While the book in itself is nothing short of a National Treasure. It is unfortunate that the press was heavily constrained during his return to India during the Emergency and was much more focussed on political turmoils. That is why Bimol Mukerji never got the press coverage he deserved and hence we did not have good enough information on him until his book was re-published. But now that we have the information on him, we should let others know by sharing such information. A much better source for the article Bimol Mukerji will be the article on the book Du Chakay Duniya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Chakay_Duniya Bose.ranajoy (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bose. I gather you created the page -- thanks. Do you have any additional sources, that are RSs?--Epeefleche (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Epeefleche. I do not have any additional sources. I have provided the ISBN code of the book though. Which is reviewed by scholars and published as a famous Bengali travel book http://www.bhraman.com/travel-books.php. Can this be categorized as an RS? Bose.ranajoy (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Re: Emeraude's comment, the fact that the subject was the first Indian to achieve the feat could plausibly give him high significance in his home country.
Please note that the subject's name also appears to be spelled Bimal Mukherjee. I'm currently looking for sources under that name. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 14:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't find anything worthwhile in English, mostly sites selling the subject's book. There are hits in Bengali but I'm unable to translate with the software at my disposal.
I think the subject could very well be sufficiently notable but I'm unable to prove it so I won't oppose a delete. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 16:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Relisting comment: Expert opinion (competence in analysing Bengali sources) needed.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Der yck C. 13:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. With regret, if the story is true, but this man would certainly have attracted notice in the countries he crossed (an Indian pedaling through Europe and the US in the 1920s?), and it is strange that apparently no period sources about this are to be found. Until they are, we must treat this as insufficiently verifiable. I agree with the comments above that the one source we have, the Telegraph piece, is a bit strange. Sandstein 19:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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