Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bengt Grafström

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Valoem talk contrib 02:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bengt Grafström

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As the recently concluded AfD on pl wiki summed this up: a biography of an average TV journalist who have had an average career and has not achieved anything extraordinary that would grant him Wikipedia:Notability. Clearly fails WP:ENTERTAINER (in lieu of the not approved Wikipedia:Notability (journalists), which he would also fail...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - Average according to whom? This man has a long career and has hosted Melodifestivalen. Notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • "This man has a long career]]" - are you serious? If this was a criteria for notability, every second person would be notable. Being on TV and hosting Melodifestivalen is just doing his regular job (incidentally, he is not even mentioned in that featured article...). Unless you can show that per WP:GNG there are numerous sources that discuss the importance of him hosting that show, it doesn't mean anything. Which part of WP:ENTERTAINER is he meeting by hosting that show? Again, as far as I can tell, he is just doing a good, but mundane job as a television journalist and media figure. Unless he is doing his job so well that he generated coverage, or received major awards or such, he is simply not notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Unless you can show that per WP:GNG there are numerous sources that discuss the importance of him hosting that show, it doesn't mean anything - do not insult my intelligence first of all, secondly you have still to show how this person is non-notable beyond your strong "personal opinion" about him. I guess you are from Poland right? Then you probably do not know that Melodifestivalen is a extremely popular show in Sweden and it is very notable to have hosted it.If we should follow your reasoning, no one would be notable as being an actor like Angelina Jolie for example is her job and by your reasoning that would make her non notable beyond her job. Also what happens in Polish Wikipedia has no bearing on what happens here on English Wikipedia. Also you should know that a "personal opinion" does not count as a reason for deletion. This man obviously covers WP:GNG and the article should be kept.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • You still have to prove what you are saying with policies and sourcss. All you offer here is your own personal opinion that thus show is popular and his appearance in it is enough. Per WP:ENTERTAINER, the most applicable policy here, which you seem to ignore: "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." First, without sources, it is dubious hosting a show was a "significant role", as it seems to have failed to generate any coverage. Second, this role is singular, thus failing "multiple". Finally, one source that looks like a bio on a company page is hardly sufficient per WP:RS/WP:V. Those are not my "personal opinions", they are matter-of-fact policy readings. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a single source, but that one confirms what the article covers so far. I do not want to add more sources right now as that would be to influence the AfD I guess.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@BabbaQ: Ummm. Influencing AfD is the purpose of what we do here. If you can add more sources, please do. It could save the article, if they show widespread coverage of this person in mainsteam sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I absolutely object this article from being deleted or be AfD. Why should my articles be under threat, when they're's hundred of articles that are poorer than mine are not being dealt with. I haven't seen you deal with the Fredrik Belfrage page or the article on Jacob Dahlin, who have got very little than Grafström article. The man is a well known presenter, he hosted one of Sweden's popular shows and is one of their best know radio broadcasters. --Mrluke485 (talk) 20:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Try to keep the tone civil. On the one hand, an entertainer needs to be more than just an entertainer to be considered notable; appearance in several notable works or significant discussion in secondary sources etc. On the other hand, we need to be careful not to write someone off because we've never heard of them because they're popular in another country that speaks another language; that's how we end up with systemic bias. I'd note that IMDb says he's hosted Swedish Eurovision coverage. Other than that, I don't have enough information to make a call on this one way or the other. GoldenRing (talk) 10:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep 1675 hits during five decades in the media database of the Swedish national library. /FredrikT (talk) 21:58, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - swayed by FredrikT above. Although rather borderline: a short dull article but the Swedish one has far more content, so there seems to be at least the possibility of expansion + extra sourcing. I couldn't care less about most articles on media people, but this one is doubtless not less notable than the generality and I think should have the benefit of the doubt, if only for the Eurovision connection, which seems to be a deciding factor on more than one otherwise iffy article.Jsmith1000 (talk) 14:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge and redirect to some article associated with the peak of his career, Melodifestivalen 1988? Stuartyeates (talk) 01:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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