Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian Chinese Flag

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Chinese Flag

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Clear promotion of a flag design only a couple of days old (only source is a press release). Would be speediable, except that a flag is not an "entity". This article either completely misses the point of Wikipedia, or deliberately abuses it. JPD (talk) 13:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think its just meant to be a commemorative flag like the English Australian Flag. 121.216.232.15 (talk) 02:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as worthless spam. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Does sound interesting as pointed out, but isn't notable. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep This wouldn't be the first commemorative flag proposed in Australia (www.australianaflags.com.au). I have seen reports of Nigel Morris' activities as an Australian nationalist for several years. He once publically proposed an ensign style flag for the ACT. When it comes to national symbols he is a source worth quoting. 121.216.232.15 (talk) 01:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter what you think of Nigel Morris in general. The question is - is this flag actually used by anyone, has it been reported by third party sources, or is it simply something that Nigel Morris has proposed? As the article says - the design was announced on 29 June, so it is clearly not something that belongs on Wikipedia. Wikipedia isn't here for you and he [1] to promote this design, but to report things which have already received their own publicity. (Note that even John Vaughan's flags which you refer to do not have articles - this own is even less deserving of an article.) JPD (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This heritage flag is used by the Australian Flag Society. That's something. Steaknife (talk) 03:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This flag was aparantly designed a few days ago and hasn't been adopted by anyone. A Google news search of "Austalian Chinese Flag" returns no hits [2], so it doesn't seem to have even attracted any media attention. Nick Dowling (talk) 08:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, just a novelty flag, no third-party references to indicate that it's used by anyone or taken seriously anywhere. And I have to ask if the .jpeg artefacts are a part of the design or whether they're just incidental? Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep!! Wikipedia would be mad to take this down. Chinese Australians will be glad Mr Morris took the time out to design them this flag. 134.148.5.119 (talk) 10:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"I Like It" and "People took a lot of time to make this" are not good reasons to keep an article. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 15:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does it mean anything that the Australian Flag Society uses it? 134.148.5.118 (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to see why it would mean anything, but it definitely doesn't mean anything unless someone other than the AFS has reported it. This simply isn't the place to announce that someone has started to promomte or even use a flag. JPD (talk) 02:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Lack of reliable 3rd party sources on an item like this make it outside of notability guidelines SatuSuro 14:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable. Moondyne 02:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • There does not appear to be any such entity as the "Australian Flag Society". There is a Flag Society of Australia (inc)[3] whose contacts list does not include the "vexillographer and Chief Herald ... Nigel Morris.". I suspect this to be a hoax and can be speedy deleted. Moondyne 03:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The "Flag Society of Australia" is a vexillological society dedicated to the study of flags in general. The "Australian Flag Society" was formed by Nigel Morris as a breakaway group from ANFA, and advocates the retention of the national flag. Their website [4] is no longer online. I have good reason to believe that all the users saying "keep" here are associated with Morris and his society. The flag is a political stunt, somehow related to the issue of the official status of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags. That isn't quite the same as a hoax, but I do wonder whether the speedy deletion criteria should include this sort of advertising. JPD (talk) 07:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have good reason to think that most of the people who are saying delete are jealous they didn't think of it first.
It's the future Australian National Flag, after China invades.
Mr Morris' body may pass away, but his Australian Chinese Flag will by no means pass away.134.148.5.120 (talk) 05:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks, I should have looked a bit harder. Delete anyway. Moondyne 07:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"It's the future Australian National Flag, after China invades."...That defines WP:CRYSTAL. Please read that. We don't predict the future here at Wikipedia. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 13:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • LOL! I believe that 134.148 was making a joke. However, "Please read that. We don't predict the future here at Wikipedia." was even better! That's dry humor at its very best! Mandsford (talk) 15:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I was going for. But really, it's true. We don't. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 16:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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