Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aston Villa F.C. 7-2 Liverpool F.C.

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 19:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aston Villa F.C. 7-2 Liverpool F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Evan0512 (talk) 18:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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• Draftify - this is clearly a work-in-progress. A brief google search suggests that this may meet notability guidelines.
  SSSB (talk) 18:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to 2020–21 Premier League; one of a surprising number of shocking results this year, but not independently notable. GiantSnowman 18:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify. It’s a work in progress. I think 9 goals is enough for it to be not just “one of a surprising number of shocking results this year”. Articles have been created for games like this before. I intended to create the article as a draft but couldn’t find how to change it to a draft. JamesVilla44 (talk 18:38, 6 October 2020 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: JamesVilla44 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
• Evan0512, you haven't actually stated a reason for your nomination, please clarify....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It requested to be deleted because the article name has both teams and their scores. Evan0512 (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is not a valid reason for deletion. Suggest speedy close unless the nominator comes up with a valid reason for nomination -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • For what it's worth, I gave two. Geschichte (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, WP:NOTNEWS and while quite shocking, it would be WP:CRYSTAL to predict that the match will bear a lasting significance. Probably an unlikely search term as well. Geschichte (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, No indication at all that the match will have sufficient lasting importance to warrant a separate article. Nigej (talk) 05:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete These articles can be made to pass GNG, however I don't feel there is importance enough here. I don't see the point of a redirect. Govvy (talk) 12:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep clearly a historical result, and in fact more notable football matches should have articles. If anybody can explain why every Charity Shield and every MLS All Star Game and every Emirates Cup have separate articles, but actually historic and record breaking/matching matches can't, I'd love to know. ItsKesha (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be fair, this game didn't set any records that I'm aware of, and it's a bit premature after less than three days to categorise it as "historic"..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • To me, they're nearly all excessive. The high scoring matches in Category:Premier League matches could be have brief descriptions in List of Premier League highest scoring games, since they seem to be regarded as "notable" simply because they are high scoring games. Is this match any more notable than the other matches in List of Premier League highest scoring games? I suspect not. Nigej (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes you're both right, the defending champions conceding seven goals is not remotely notable or historic, and definitely broke no records whatsoever. ItsKesha (talk) 15:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • We have articles like List of Premier League highest scoring games partly so that we don't have to have articles like this. The match's notability, historic/record nature can readily be added to that article. Nigej (talk) 15:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • (ec) There have been matches where the reigning champions of English football lost by a larger margin. So no, in that regard at least it didn't break a record....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, that one instance 67 years ago means this one isn't notable or historic. And yes, it infact broke the Premier League record. ItsKesha (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't think anyone is arguing that point. The question is whether a description in List of Premier League highest scoring games, a mention in Premier League records and statistics#Scorelines, the histories of Liverpool/Villa, etc. is sufficient or whether a separate article is required. Nigej (talk) 16:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • Including this, 26 games in the history of the Premier League have had nine or more goals, there have been approximately 10600 games in the history of the Premier League. 0.002%. Liverpool's biggest ever Premier League defeat, biggest ever defeat by a reigning Premier League champion, one of the 26 highest scoring games in Premier League history at a factor of 0.002%. Every single "professional" club season has an article. Every single "professional" player is deemed notable, even if they have played one game. Every single MLS All Star game, every single Emirates Cup, every single Premier League Asia trophy, every single Charity Shield, every single player who has played for Rochdale and Doncaster Rovers, every single West Bromwich Albion and Oldham Athletic season. And yet this isn't? Come on. ItsKesha (talk) 15:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • I would use that argument not to say "this match is notable" but to say "some of those Rochdale and Doncaster Rovers players might not be notable, especially if top-flight players in non-Anglosphere countries - i.e. all countries outside the UK & Ireland where football has been a dominant and central social force - often don't have articles". RobinCarmody (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I wonder if time is also a factor in determining notability here. For instance if Liverpool were to lose 8-1 to Everton in their next match would this game still be seen as notable enough to have its own article? On the other hand if Liverpool go through the season only losing this game, then its claims to notability might be higher. Dunarc (talk) 22:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Nothing which makes it stand out from any of the other shocking results that have happened in the past. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This isn't a highest-scoring PL game, it's not a record win for the league, it just happens to be a big win for a team that was threatened with relegation last season over the reigning champions. I think this is one where we need to wait and see what the coverage is like in the future. Right now, I'm not seeing any reason to keep it. – PeeJay 00:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete:This must be added in the history section of both Aston Villa and Arsenal. No need of seperate page Kashmorwiki (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arsenal? – PeeJay 15:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I'm not seeing enough justification here for a stand-alone article on this match. It did not break any records and it is still too soon to say that it will go down as a historic and defining match. For now, let's just keep it in the season summary articles Spiderone 08:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - routine football match which happened to have a shock result, but there is nothing exceptional in that, and it was not record breaking. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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