Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angel Torres Ortiz

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Angel Torres Ortiz

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BLP of a town mayor who received 9,316 votes. Does not pass WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 11:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, very small-time, failing WP:NPOL. Geschichte (talk) 17:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep otherwise, we'd have to delete most articles on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_in_Puerto_Rico#Mayors_2021%E2%80%932025. Perhaps the nominator doesn't know this but Puerto Rican mayors are usually considered to be notable, no matter the size of the city. Furthermore, he is the mayor of a city of 34,000 residents in an island of 4 million. If my calculator is right, this is akin to putting the mayor of a city of 26,000,000 in the US for deletion, percentage-wise. He is , therefore, clearly notable, at least in Puerto Rico.Antonio El Alcalde Martin (si?) 01:15, 29 October, 2021 (UTC)

Norway has 5 million and I personally reckon the bar here to be over 100,000. There is just an absolute standard somewhere, under which it just gets too small. Let's nominate the others for deletion if you say so, per your WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Geschichte (talk) 07:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Puerto Rico is the same size as Wales, but we don’t have bio articles in the mayors of Wrexham, Bangor, Aberystwyth or Bridgend. Mccapra (talk) 06:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I dont know what the criteria is for Welsh mayors but again I refer you to the list above because then, we'd have to put about 37 other articles for deletion and those are only current mayors, let alone former ones, articles of Puerto Rican mayors exist by the hundreds. Antonio Macabre Martin (ya?) 07:05, 29 October, 2021 (UTC)

Antonio, all you are doing by making that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument is inviting people to nominate a lot more articles for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Puerto Rico doesn't get a special dispensation to have its mayors treated differently than mayors in other political jurisdictions, when it comes to inclusion in Wikipedia — in every place in the world that has mayors, the notability or non-notability of a mayor under WP:NPOL #2 always comes down to the quality and depth of the sourcing that you can or can't show to support a substantive article about the person's political significance. It's never enough to just minimally verify that the person exists, and then write background trivia about his family and education and pre-mayoral career — notability comes down to how much you can or can't write about his work as mayor: specific things he did in the mayor's chair, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects he had on the development of the town or city, and on and so forth. There are no freebies based on the population size of the city for any country on earth: it's always, always a question of how much substance you can or can't write and source about the significance of his work as mayor, and this is neither written nor sourced in the ways that a mayor's article actually needs to be. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The denizens of Puerto Rico are subject to the same notability guidelines as others: nothing higher and nothing lower. Being a mayor is not a claim of notability under WP:NPOL, and there's no substantial GNG-qualifying sourcing. (He's mentioned occasionally, but there's no in-depth coverage of the man himself.) As such, Torres Ortiz is not notable; I would reach the same conclusion for a mayor anywhere else in the world if the sourcing was similarly limited. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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