Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Cope

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I failed to find significant coverage in RS. The subject fails WP:GNG Less Unless (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Less Unless (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Less Unless (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Poor references -- may not be notable. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 16:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Added more refs. Meets wp:bio 1.The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times. Redhouse Children book of the Year is a notable award. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 17:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Yes, the Red House Children's Book Award is a notable award, but the article on the award is very badly sourced. Someone had even vandalized the title of Cope's award-winning book. Nonetheless, I am not sure that winning that award (in a sub-category, not overall) is sufficient for notability, absent some decent coverage of Andy Cope. I have found passing mentions of him as a best-selling author and as the founder of "The Art of Being Brilliant", but no independent significant coverage. If that cannot be found, I do not believe he meets minimum standards. --Bejnar (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC) --Bejnar (talk)[reply]

• Comment The award is the only major children's book award in the UK, is reported on by most newspapers and is awarded at the Hay Festival. There is no overall prize, but three prizes for each category of reader.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 07:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidstewartharvey: That is odd as the article. under Winners, lists an overall award each year, the book winning overall seems to come from any one of the three categories. --Bejnar (talk) 22:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for lack of significant coverage, and because the "Red House" award in a subcategory is not a significant award such as to convey notability by itself. I did some more research, and contrary to what was stated above, the premier British children's book award is the Carnegie Medal (aka "the Booker of the Playground", q.v.) awarded annually recognising one outstanding, new, English-language book for children or young adults. --Bejnar (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked in the education sector for over 16 years in the UK and I can tell you that education take the Redhouse award as a higher recommendation than the Carnagie Award.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not to judge, but we generally do not consider personal testimony, but only reliable sources. I am glad that you have heard of the Carnegie Medal, the first children's book award in the UK; and according the The Guardian, and others, it is the UK’s most prestigious children’s books award. --Bejnar (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep There's plenty of coverage of the subject (and his dog) which clearly indicates that he's a prominent and successful author. For example, see BBC. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that story does not indicate that he is a prominent and successful author, it is a human interest story, and indicates that he has sold 20,000 children's books. I have found no indication, in reliable, independent sources, that he works have ever appeared on a best-sellers' list. (I have found vendor claims that he is a "best selling author", but his Spy Dog seems to have sold the most copies, and it is ranked by Amazon.co.uk as "Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 76,176 in Books, and #3762 in Action & Adventure for Children (Books)". According to the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, here, the average children's book sells between 5,000 to 10,000 copies, which makes Cope above average, but with several books in print, nothing notable. --Bejnar (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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