Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of third-party involvement in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The consensus is to Keep this article. Any problems that exist should be fixed by editors instead of deleting the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of third-party involvement in the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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The premise of this article is a giant MOS:ALLEGED and WP:WEIGHT violation. It portrays the Syrian mercenaries has an "accusation", when it has been verified by numerous sources. And the Kurdish militia are portrayed as a possibility, when that was thoroughly debunked (the Al-Monitor source clearly says "there is no direct evidence of this" and Komsomolskaya Pravda is a tabloid). Lots of important information in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war was removed entirely in order to create this article. That info is best off being restored and this Allegations article deleted; there was no discussion about splitting the article. Dallavid (talk) 18:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion was created improperly and never transcluded to the log (or the article tagged) until now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. Shellwood (talk) 22:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and readd in the main article, per nom. the old version in the main article was good enough. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 09:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Truthfully, I separated this section into it's own article primarily because of how huge it is: it was roughly 78,000 bytes, making it one of the largest, if not THE largest, section in an article primarily about Armenia and Azerbaijan. If you want to remove content from unreliable sources (like tabloids), go right ahead, but if this info is gonna be added back to the main page, it needs to be summarized to not overshadow everything else. XTheBedrockX (talk) 02:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Second Nagorno-Karabakh War had a prose size north of 100 kB when the split occurred, which is more than enough to merit a split per WP:SPLITSIZE. If the "alleged" framing is a neutrality problem (no opinion on that question), it can be fixed by simply moving the article to Third-party involvement in the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War (or something like that); other neutrality/sourcing issues can be resolved through the editing process and don't require deletion. I do think that the third-party section of the main article should be expanded a bit more (a couple of paragraphs or so) to implement WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, but that doesn't require reverting the split altogether. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep For an article this long and very well sourced, I'll suggest that editors with concerns about some of the contents could fix them. Remember, deletion is not cleanup, so problematic text can be either removed or adjusted. Nythar (💬-❄️) 00:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.