Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Zeitawi

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Zeitawi

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NN alleged Arabic "clan," no sources proffered. Unimproved in a decade. The article was AfDed nine years ago with a bundle of similar ones, and in one of those brutal decisions common to the era closed as a keep based on the pious hope of the keep proponents that sources might eventually appear.

My comment from that AfD was "These articles represent the sole contribution to Wikipedia of User:Phsychyzed, of which he says of himself on his talk page 'Phsychyzed is a nickname created by child and has now risen to be one of the most famous "nicknames" in use on the internet.Nobody really knows what the nickname resembles but ofcourse many have given the simplest of guess where phsychy means crazy and zed just being the alphabet letter.' The earliest of these articles is over a year old now, and at no point has any attempt to improve most of them been made. Right now the only info I'm seeing on the web refers to (a) these articles and their mirrors, (b) repeated blogging by a Jordanian teenager named Al Zeitawi looking for pen pals; and (c) a business by that name in Abu Dhabi. There are no verifiable sources for this info, not a single one. I understand that people want to bend over backwards to be Arab-friendly here, but I strongly suspect WP:HOAX at this point."

No newer sources substantiating any of the information in the article have turned up since, and the article remains unimproved in all that time. Fails the GNG, but then again it always did. Ravenswing 06:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no reliable sources appear to exist to verify this, and I agree that it could well be a hoax. It is worrying - though sadly it no longer surprises me - that the article has survived this long. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, there's no way of knowing how much longer it would've lingered if I wasn't going through all the AfD discussions in which I'd participated where the subjects still had blue links. Ravenswing 23:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I doubt this was a hoax, because from what I've gathered through working on Palestinian village articles, the Zeitawi tribe is indeed a large clan in the town of Jamma'in and smaller villages in the vicinity, though I highly question claims of descent to Muhammad and the vast geographic extent of the tribe. However, due to the lack (or virtual absence) of coverage in reliable sources, this tribe and its sub-clans don't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Even if a ref(s) could be provided to prove the clan's existence, I still doubt it would be notable enough. I'm surprised this article and its sub-articles were not deleted in '07. --Al Ameer (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep or merge with Al-Zeitawi. , The correct course of action when an article title is legitamate but its content is a bit iffy, is to add sone tags or templates to it, not delete. Due to transliteration issues, it does not produce more returns. Hawaan12 (talk) 06:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That's certainly a common misunderstanding on Wikipedia, but official policy holds differently. From WP:V - "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." From WP:GNG - "There must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability. No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition." I see no reason why this article should receive another ten years without references providing it significant coverage that satisfies the GNG. Ravenswing 06:42, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's obviously not a hoax, but I can find no coverage in RSs to meet notability standards, either in English or in Arabic. I've removed a non-reliable reference from the article. The others were pasted from the Arabic counterpart, which has no footnotes. Their reliability and relevance would need to be verified. Eperoton (talk) 14:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete claiming the direct descendancy from Mohammad should be proved by many sources, while I didn't find anything. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Seems more like a non-notable local family, rather than a big tribe; I could find no reliable sources when googling "zeitawi", "zaytawi", "zeytawi", or "zitawi" (although there is a gas station in Jamma'in called "Al-Zitawi", according to openstreetmap). I share Al Ameer's doubts about the exceptional claims, especially the one about the vast geographic extent. A bit to the northwest of Jamma'in is the village of Zeita. "Al-Zeitawi" may well be a nisba or toponymic name based on that village, so it does not seem that this "tribe" has traveled the globe before settling down, at least not by the name Al-Zeitawi. - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as another case where none of this yet suggests a better applicably notable article and this would still need any better improvements, any of which can happen if Drafted (when and if needed) later. SwisterTwister talk 05:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've also filed AfDs on the last two "clans" from the old AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Sharei, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Eisa. Ravenswing 11:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravenswing: you've missed one: Al-Khalil (family). - HyperGaruda (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You know what it is, the original Al-Khalil link in the 2007 AfD had been redirected to Hebron. Feel free to file on that one, though! Ravenswing 20:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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