Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ainjel Emme

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ainjel Emme

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. .116 in spotify. No fans, no social media. Not a music star. scope_creep^Talk 18:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Commment This article has massively been stripped down, an old version shows that she has extensive production credits. not sure if that makes her notable. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is a BLP that was unreferenced, so the content was removed. Post up WP:THREE that are in-depth, independent and WP:SECONDARY that shows she is notable and the Afd can be closed as a keep. Currently there is no references on the article. scope_creep^Talk 18:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree with the stripping, it's entirely unsourced. It's just to provide context for other AfD participants. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hemiauchenia: I just noticed it was yourself that stripped it down. It really needed it. Some mess. Producers don't do very well on Afd unfortunately, so see how goes. scope_creep^Talk 18:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The biography has no big successes but it has a bunch of small ones,[1] and she has a solid music industry presence. She served as a vocal producer for all tracks on Aly & AJ's 2021 album A Touch of the Beat Gets You Up on Your Feet Gets You Out and Then Into the Sun—the album charted in the UK and the US, and the music video for the album's single "Pretty Places" has 800k views.[2] She serves as a judge in the Hit Like A Girl drumming contest,[3] and she is considered an expert in audio mastering by SoundGirls.[4] Tape Op magazine reprinted an article she wrote.[5] It's not a massive win like a Grammy, but this kind of yeoman work floats her high enough. Binksternet (talk) 21:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Deleting her article, but keeping the articles for both of her albums seems totally unsustainable - if they are notable enough to have articles, then she is. So why are they not included in the current AfD? Furius (talk) 09:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a procedural matter, and the nominator may have simply missed the albums. The albums are not notable just because nobody has yet nominated them for deletion. You could vote here to delete the musician AND the two albums and Admins would take it under consideration. Regardless, the two albums have no reliable reviews that I can find (the AllMusic entries are just empty placeholders) so I have redirected those two articles to the musician's page. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - Her own releases were largely unnoticed and don't justify their own articles (see my comment above). But for her behind-the-scenes career I agree with Binksternet above. The article needs to have some more reliable sources about her production work but those endeavors seem to have received enough coverage for a basic stub article here. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The urls references are a Youtube video with 222 views, so it is non-notable, an instagram profile which fails WP:SPS, a blog entry which non-RS, another Youtube video which has 825k but it is another artist. The context is Ainjel Emme did the vocal product, which is a poor references. None of that sastifies WP:SIGCOV nor WP:MUSICBIO. scope_creep^Talk 18:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Reference 5 above is a WP:SPS sources and is non-RS. scope_creep^Talk 11:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Lets examine the references:

• Listing of her work It is a machine generated profile page.
• Aly & AJ - Pretty Places (Official Video) It a video of somebody. The context is she produced it. One song??
• Drumming contest A passing mention.
• Ask the Experts] 225 views. Non-RS.
• Women and the Grammy for “Producer of the Year, Non-Classical” A blog, is an WP:SPS source and non-RS.
• Spotify 127 monthly listeners.
• Youtube 2470 subscribers.
• Soundcloud 139 followers.

Not one in-depth source has been added that is in-depth, independent and secondary that can satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. scope_creep^Talk 11:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Does not pass WP:MUSIC or WP:ENTERTAINER. ––FormalDude talk 01:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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