Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afu-Ra

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is an apparent consensus that the subject of the article meets the relevant notability guidelines (the subject-specific notability guideline WP:MUSICBIO was mentioned by name, and the general notability guideline was alluded to) and, therefore, that the article should be kept. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost (talk) 11:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Afu-Ra

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Can someone nominate these 6 poorly sourced article, as they are not notable here Afu-Ra, Nemanja Kojić (musician), Škabo, Albin Gutman, Beogradski Sindikat, and Bad Copy as they are more likely created as a fandom. These serbian articles is very awful as you think. 23:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC) 187.189.107.24 (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination on behalf of IP. But I did a rough before and couldn't find many third party sources covering this artist. Also, the article has no third-party references covering the artist.

Other articles requested by IP:

Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep, this is ridiculous and in bad faith. Nominator thinks the subject is Serbian for crying out loud, just throwing around noms with no basis. Subject of the article has 3 albums with articles all of which have charted on the US, and elsewhere, so unambiguously passes the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. This notice should be taken down and the bad faith nominator should be censured. The article could be improved, yes, but underground rappers from that era don't have as much written about them that's still accessible, though the Billboard charts are still there. JesseRafe (talk) 12:52, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

JesseRafe, bad faith? How is this bad faith?

This is following the procedure at WP:AFDHOW for IP editors.

Also, I can't find any third-party source for the subject. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 13:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How is it not bad faith? Your nomination claimed an African-American from Brooklyn was a Serbian, so you obviously didn't look at the article once. Ergo you were either: nominating articles for no rational reason, not doing the modicum of research to click the actual wikilink to the nominee, or you were intentionally lying. Anyone of those (and I see no other options) is a bad faith nomination. You and the IP (as?) didn't even consult the guide to notability before beginning this process or seemingly even check Afu-Ra's already existent page for its clearly marked Billboard chart rankings. It's a waste of everyone's time to nominate articles that will obviously pass just because you have a pet peeve or something. Improve the pages if you can, but we don't delete just for lack of sourcing, we add the sourcing. JesseRafe (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see WP:AFG is tossed right out the window with your comment. As I said to you here, I have NO relation to the IP. You responded to that comment with "Get lost." As per WP:AFDHOW, an IP nomination is typically taken upon by a registered user like myself. But as this is an IP nomination, I have no opinion regarding the notability of this subject. I am just a proxy. I had a very rough look at Google News and found hits that were akin to press releases surrounding album releases so that alone would not pass WP:GNG, I believe. I did not do a thorough search of this subject as I'm not the one doing the nomination, so the onus lies on the IP nominator to do the WP:BEFORE. Also you removed the AFD tag, a big no no on Wikipedia. And you indirectly accused that I am socking as the IP with your summary "ridiculous and in bad faith, he's had a half dozen albums and appearances, improve the article, don't use IPs and alt-accounts to delete things, or is it a magical coincidence after all these years "two" accts want to delete this article?" --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 13:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is my last response here, but the onus is on you to demonstrate a reason for the nomination because blame the IP all you want, but you nominated the articles. I used my good faith the first time IP db-ed it, but my edit summary didn't go into the details because I thought the case "clear" enough, but you didn't even click on the article let alone look at the edit history. When an IP and then a reg user nominate the same page which had never been nominated in 14 years within 2 days, under 2 methods, it's not a breach of AFG to assume a connection, especially as the original nomming IP was not the same IP that posted in AFDHOW so following contribs wouldn't show that request. If what you're saying is that you perform zero due diligence and just parrot whatever any fly-by IP asks you to do -- that's a serious problem if you don't see that as a problem. How is that, in effect, different from being a meatpuppet? You just nominate articles under flimsy pretenses, without even clicking on them? And then wash your hands of it? It's fine to field IP's requests, but you should obviously filter them first. Just clicking the link would show you that he's not Serbian and has had multiple albums chart on Billboard, which should have shown you that IP's request was spurious and you should have decided there was no need to waste everyone's time... And I asked you to get lost because you were spamming my talk page, two new sections in 5 minutes? Please. I stand by that comment. JesseRafe (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had a rough check of Google news and the first page news were akin to news articles about his video releases. An example is https://earmilk.com/2020/03/09/afu-ra-connects-with-jah-mason-rocca-for-the-cinematic-molecular-video/. Looks more like an article about his music video. https://respect-mag.com/2020/01/peepthevisual-afu-ra-reign-on-me-feat-mann/ also look akin to a press release so as http://www.reggae.fr/lire-news/17151_202002_Afu-Ra--Urban-Chemistry--l-album.html.

It was, for this reason, I thought that IP request had some substance.

Admittedly, some of WP:MUSICBIO does not rely on third-party sources to prove the significance and merely rely on the artist's appearance on a music chart. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Afu-Ra, his albums were consistently reviewed by RS: AllMusic, A.V. Club, RapReviews; also written about in Billboard, Orlando Sentinel, etc. Caro7200 (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable rapper, lacks of third party sources. 124.123.182.61 (talk) 23:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as his releases have been the subject of reviews in multiple reliable sources such as Billboard, Rap Reviews, AllMusic, AV Club and others, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I will be blunt, Tyw7: at this stage, I don't believe that you tried finding "any third-party source for the subject". The subject is all over Google news search in a lot of media worldwide. He's been featured in The Rough Guide to Hip Hop. (Peter Shapiro (January 2005). The Rough Guide to Hip-hop. Rough Guides. pp. 1999–2000. ISBN 978-1-84353-263-7.). No such user (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No such user, they look like press release to me. At least the Google news sources. I do not have access to that books so I cannot comment. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 08:54, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per WP:MUSICBIO Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. Body of the Life Force and Life Force Radio were both on the Billboard 200, as already mentioned in the article. See also here for all the details of which albums and singles made it to various other Billboard charts. Umimmak (talk) 10:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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