Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Seville City Council election

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The result was keep. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL, Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. The article cites Spanish legislation setting the date of the election, thus fulfilling the "almost certain to take place" criteria. The question of notability is a more difficult one for a local election, but consensus seems to be that it is notable, and neither the nominator nor any other user has put forward a case claiming that it is not. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 19:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Seville City Council election

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Pure WP:CRYSTALBALL. We have known for certain that that the 2020 Summer Olympics will happen in June and July 2020. Except it won't. There is no indication whatsoever that these elections will actually happen. Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 12:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep as per WP:SKCRIT#3. You are applying WP:CRYSTALBALL incorrectly: it does not mean you can crystal-ball yourself an hypothetical cataclysmic event to cast off what as of now is a future election with a fixed and certain date (under current law, it is legally set to happen on 28 May 2023, something already reflected by sources). Plus, there is information on that election already being released, such as opinion polls. As WP:CRYSTALBALL establishes, Examples of appropriate topics include the 2020 U.S. presidential election and 2028 Summer Olympics. 2028 is much farther away in time, yet just because a pandemic or an asteroid collision could happen in the meantime does not mean it is not valid. So far, the assertion that this election won't happen in 2023 because of something happening that would pospone or cancel it is more crystal-ballish than assuming it will go ahead as legally scheduled.

Even so, this won't even be a reason for deletion, because the practice of creating articles for future elections in Wikipedia is very common and provided under WP:NCELECT. If anything, uncertainty on the election date (which is not the case here) would mean a change to the title, not an outright deletion. Impru20^talk 12:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, inline with current understanding of WP:CRYSTALBALL.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete having an article on an election that will not happen for 3 years makes no sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It makes sense when there's actual verifiable information published by sources about that election (which, btw, is what CRYSTALBALL requires). An event 10 years into the future can have its own article if there is verifiable information about it in reliable sources. In this case, we have opinion polling available already, with the election date being legally set and fixed for 28 May 2023. It's very common practice in Wikipedia to have articles on future elections as soon as there is information available for them (note that 2020 United States presidential election, for example, exists since 30 October 2015. Work on 2016 United States presidential election kept going without issues from 5 November 2012. Likewise, 2012 United States presidential election has existed since 7 November 2008).

I'd like some actual argument justifying the "makes no sense"-bit, because as it stands right now it may be interpreted as some form of WP:IDONTLIKEIT contrary to general practice in Wikipedia. Impru20^talk 21:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just to point out, there was a recent AfD on a very similar issue here (the only difference being that, for that case, the date of the election was uncertain. Here, it is certain). Impru20^talk 23:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Scheduled events don't fail WP:CRYSTAL. Nonsense to try and claim there is no certainty that these elections will happen IMO. Number 5 7 18:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keepas per User:Impru20. Dtt1^Talk 17:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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