Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 S.S.C. Napoli season

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. Consensus (albeit slim) is that it's too soon, but the draft window will bring is closer to the season start date and in that status, folks can update it and move when sourcing/info is sufficient. Star Mississippi 03:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 S.S.C. Napoli season

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Article lacks notability. No source specifically mentions Napoli next season. No announced matches or deals concluded. It's too early to write an article before some things become clear. Sakiv (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sakiv: They have confirmed a spot in the next season of the Serie A. Why do we need to wait until a transfer happens or a match is announced for us to create the article? The fact that they have a 2023-24 season and will participate in said competitions is undeniable. Unless you want me to provide a source that they qualified? Mwiqdoh (talk) 20:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draft Should probably have been left in draft space for a bit, but article is needed. Pointless in deletion and pointless AfD. Govvy (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you had followed a little, you would have seen that I sent it to draftspace first but then they objected. Had no option after that. Sakiv (talk) 15:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Italy. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or userfy, obviously WP:TOOSOON for such a page, we are in the middle of the 2022–23 season, there is nothing certain about the next season (except saying they will be in Serie A, which is quite pointless). The page is basically empty of contents (the only meaningful content is the list of players, who actually are the 2022–23 season players). Also no secondary sources exist about the Napoli next season except rumors and speculation articles. Cavarrone 07:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cavarrone: Generally speaking, the various notability criteria that guide editors in creating articles require that the topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. It is an encyclopedia that must be reliable. If sources do not exist, it is generally too soon for an article on that topic to be considered. What part of this does the article not follow? The article has independent secondary reliable sources (Football Italia and Siempre Milan). Mwiqdoh (talk) 09:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also I just added a source specifically about the 2023/24 season of Napoli. Mwiqdoh (talk) 09:15, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of them is significant coverage about the 2023–24 S.S.C. Napoli season. "Napoli" is not even mentioned in the two legitimate articles, even if a trivial mention would not change things too much, while this is a joke, it not even an article (it is a database entry) and claiming this is the 2023–24 list of players is pure crystal ball (these are the 2022–23 season players, period). So "If sources do not exist, it is generally too soon for an article on that topic to be considered" applies. Cavarrone 09:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cavarrone: Players are not going to switch clubs because the transfer window is closed, they can't switch clubs. There is not going to be a change in the squad except those people on loan. Mwiqdoh (talk) 09:22, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. The 2023-24 season will start on 20 August, there will be a 2 month market window by then. Frankly, based on your replies here, I wonder if you have any basic competence to edit such articles. Cavarrone 09:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cavarrone: No it does not start on 20 August that's absolutely ridiculous! Look at any 2022–23 season article they include transfers on June and July of 2022 + almost every team plays pre-season matches in July! So are you telling me those July pre-season matches go in the previous article? Mwiqdoh (talk) 09:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if you have any basic competence to edit such articles Looking at your contribution history, it looks like you have never touched a club season article. Mwiqdoh (talk) 09:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, the pre-season (there is a "pre" suffix meaning "before" for a reason, I bet) matches in July! BTW "Look at any 2022–23 season article they include transfers on June and July of 2022", enough said about the claim that the transfer window is closed and this one will be the 2023-24 players list. And when I talk about competence, I talk about competence about recognizing significant coverage, recognizing reliable sources, understanding WP:NOT and so on. Also please read WP:BLUDGEON. Cavarrone 09:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ Once more information is available specifically about the upcoming season, the article can likely be recreated in April.--Sakiv (talk) 11:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply @Sakiv: Your nomination is classed as a delete vote, you can't vote delete again. Govvy (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy: What? Who said that? Do not change my comment, the nomination for deletion is not automatically considered a vote.--Sakiv (talk) 14:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the nomination is already considered a delete vote unless you state an alternative in the nomination. You are free to expand your rationale with further comments in the discussion but you are not able to "vote" again and can be seen as disruptive to the process. I have struck the delete comment that rest of the statement is fine. Please read through WP:AFDFORMAT in the when participating section point 5 which states '"Nomination already implies that the nominator recommends deletion (unless indicated otherwise), and nominators should refrain from repeating this."' McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 15:41, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Govvy and McMatter are correct. As the nominator, it is automatically assumed that you are !voting to Delete the article. Posting another !vote is therefore inappropriate. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 16:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My God, yes, what I did was wrong, but what the editor above did by trying to win over another editor who has full freedom to express his opinion is acceptable. Sakiv (talk) 16:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No point of deleting as the article is clearly a notable subject and the 2023/24 season is only a few months from now. No longer a CRYSTALBALL as they have confirmed a position in Serie A and their participation in 2023/24 is confirmed. Mwiqdoh (talk) 11:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draftspace as WP:TOOSOON and the article is not good enough for mainspace. We already have way too many empty abandoned season articles for 2022-23 seasons (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Empty club season articles, we don't need to start doing the same for 2023-24 seasons. Wait until there is significant news coverage of this season e.g. once the 2022-23 season has ended, and there's some actual fixtures, transfers to report. Right now, we have a 2022-23 current squad list, and that's it. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's next season. I'm fine with having the shell already there. It's not like we're talking about the 2037-2038 season or something; having shell articles for the upcoming season seems perfectly reasonable and I have no qualms with this; its fully expected that a top-flight Serie-A team will pass GNG easily. It's not worth deleting an article which in a few months will just get recreated. --Jayron 32 16:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (in mainspace) Its a season that starts in less than six months and the club has already secured a place in top flight. Per WP:CRYSTAL, scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place, which is certainly the case here. Frank Anchor 16:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or delete. Everything but the fact that they'll play next season is speculation (and even that may depend on e.g. not going bankrupt or some scandal emerging). The name of the coach, players, ... should all be removed as uncertain. This would leave us with an empty shell. Rushing to create these articles the day it is certain that the team will not be relegated should be strongly discouraged. Fram (talk) 09:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify wait until the current season matches have finished. Giant Snowman 10:25, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or userfy look like the best options to me. I also think it was a bit too soon to create this page, but at least the basic elements are okay, so we could just keep it under cover until June or July (which isn't too far away), when the first details about the squad and transfers will be available. Oltrepier (talk) 11:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Fram. Not much sense deleting it now since it is almost certain to happen, but not needed in mainspace just yet. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 03:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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