Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 in British music charts (2nd nomination)

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The result was merge to 2017 in British music. The concerns raised are generally editorial in nature; crap can be cleaned out and good material kept or added in. That being said, there seems to be consensus that this can be handled in the main year article. ansh666 09:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 in British music charts

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Renomming page, as was previously closed as no consensus approx. 5 months ago. This page is heavily riddled with WP:OR and is heavily undersourced, using only one source for the article. As said in previous AfD this is not as significant as the worldwide charts so why do we have this here? The editor who primarily edits this article is also blocked for persistent sockpuppetry by using IPs to edit then reverting any other users using their registered profile. Nightfury 10:00, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 10:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 10:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment while being mindful of WP:OSE, I note that there are similarly-titled pages for preceding years - although they all appear to have clean-up and/or refimprove tags, too. For consistency, could the page in question be kept and cleaned up, or should we be considering deleting all of them? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think there is so much that can be pruned (specifically, the weekly recaps and the excessive chart lists), the rest can be merged to 2017 in British music. The same can be done for the other years. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nom. L3X1 (distænt write) 21:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• 1979 in British music, 1999 in British music and others have a section for charts, but 2017 in British music links to this page instead. If the charts sections are kept in the other articles, this page (or part of it) should be merged and not deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: firstly, this is not a problem specific to 2017 – there are 20xx in British music charts articles going all the way back to the year 2000, it's just that since 2011 a certain editor has taken it upon himself to provide an excessive and unnecessary week by week recap. The question is whether the chart tables in this article would make the 2017 in British music article too long if they were merged (don't forget there are still year-end charts to be added to this article in a month's time).

There are plenty of noteworthy chart events that could be included in an overall summary of the year, though, and they could all be referenced to reliable sources other than the OCC website, e.g. Stormzy getting the first ever no. 1 album by a grime artist [1], the return of Sgt Pepper and Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1 to the top of the album charts [2], [3], Ed Sheeran placing 16 songs in the top 20 of the singles chart [4], etc. Richard3120 (talk) 23:20, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Why do 11 charts need to be represented in this manner for every year? There's already List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s and List of UK Albums Chart number ones of the 2010s, and the year-ends don't need to be as excessively detailed as done at 2016 in British music charts#Year-end charts and can be limited to the top 10. Just summarize the chart achievements of the year and merge into 2017 in British music, etc. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree that the six charts for sales only, streaming only, and download only, for both singles and albums, can be ditched and only the overall lists of number-one singles and albums kept, as the other three are components that make up the overall chart (and are very similar to each other) – it's only the overall number-one single/album that ever gets reported by the media anyway, and for which there will be other sources than the OCC. As for the year-end charts, well, it's simply that a top 50 was decided by consensus as the cut-off point... many of these year-end charts for previous years extended to a top 200 before I started revising them, so they've already been substantially reduced. Richard3120 (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This mess needs tagging and sorting out on a music project - afd isn't the right place. If participants with knowledge of NMusic conventions join the afd I may reconsider. Szzuk (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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