Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013–14 Chester F.C. season

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The result was no consensus. Swarm ♠ 06:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2013–14 Chester F.C. season

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Contested PROD. Fails WP:NSEASONS. Exactly the same as 2012–13 Chester F.C. season AfD JMHamo (talk) 10:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason given above.

Keep – Chester are now a professional club. Plenty of other clubs in a similar position that have the same pages. Also as someone mentioned in the discussion of the 2012–13 season Conference teams seem to be the 'cut-off' point for having season pages and these represent that level of football. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2008jordancfc (talk • contribs)
Keep Agree with above. JackErskine (talk) 11:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - SPI opened on 2008jordancfc & JackErskine, who I believe are the same person. JMHamo (talk) 11:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - And I believe this to be comedy gold.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2008jordancfc (talk • contribs)

Keep Agree with above. Skyblueshaun (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment FYI: Skyblueshaun created the latest 2015–16 Chester F.C. season article, the other two were created by 2008jordancfc. JMHamo (talk) 12:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 10:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both - we normally only have season articles for clubs which play in a fully-professional league - Chester don't. There is no evidence these meets WP:GNG or WP:NSEASONS. Giant Snowman 17:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Chester are a professional club though and the conference as always been considered the 'cut-off' point for season pages. Also why do these templates (Template:2013–14 in English football,Template:2014–15 in English football,Template:2015–16 in English football) consist of Conference Premier/National League teams if it isn't a 'fully-professional league' and for you to believe they shouldn't have individual season pages.

Keep Well-sourced material, clearly passes GNG. While BBC for years consider Conference/National League notable and suitable for covering both matches and club news we still follow obscure criteria of 'fully-professional' league. If one day part-time team would break into Football League, should we delete all the season articles of its rivals? Ridiculous. Martinklavier (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Laughable. First reference regarding 'fully-professional leagues' here tells us that League Two was NOT fully professional a few years ago (i mean David Rainford), and who knows how many players are part-timers now. Martinklavier (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:NSEASONS is quite clear that season articles for clubs are usually only suitable for clubs in top professional leagues. Long standing consensus has been that for the english league system, the fourth tier is the cut off point for this. Ignoring the obvious WP:NOTSTATS issues and the failure to adhere to NSEASONS requirement that articles such as this consist mainly of sourced prose, contrary to comments above, none of the articles are well sourced. Not only do almost all the sources provided reference routine transfers and loan movements rather than any discussion of the season itself, the vast majority of these are from primary sources (often Chester's own website). I am simply not seeing significant, reliable, non-routine coverage of this season in the club's life. Fenix down (talk) 16:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Excuse me, may i ask you to point out an example of season article consisting of well-sourced prose, you are talking of? As long as i can see, all the prose in a such articles (even for a PL clubs) is just a copy of information from tables.Martinklavier (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - doesn't matter if the article doesn't pass WP:NSEASONS if it meets WP:GNG Nfitz (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all WP:NSEASONS is pretty strict about this – only teams playing in fully professional leagues should have a season article unless the season itself meets WP:GNG. As the English fifth tier is not fully professional, and GNG is not satisfied by pure WP:ROUTINE coverage alone, no other choice but to delete these. – Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 20:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but they are in need of improving, not least because of the complete absence of any prose. A number of season articles of Conference/National League clubs have attained GA status, which suggests to me that there is enough national and local coverage of this level of football for WP:GNG to be satisfied. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:14, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give some examples? Kraxler (talk) 17:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all Long-standing consensus that we should not have season articles for non fully-professional leagues. Number 5 7 15:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all Improvement may be necessary however clearly able to meet WP:GNG as mentioned by Mattythewhite. Paul Bradbury 08:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all as per Mattythewhite's argument. They play in a predominantly professional league, and plenty of sources to meet the WP:GNG of the season as a whole. --Jimbo^[online] 14:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - WP:NSEASONS states 'top' professional league. Largely a dump of stats and the 'timeline' section is also unencylopedic. WP:GNG isn't met I'd say - the topic of 'Chester's 2015-16 Football Season' is not covered as a major topic in multiple independent sources outside of regular news reporting.Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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