Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1958 East Pakistan–India border skirmish

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1958 East Pakistan–India border skirmish

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Only sources that talk about this insignificant skirmishes are Pakistani sources (most of them unreliable).

Overall, the subject fails WP:GNG. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 12:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Query @Aman.kumar.goel: could you expand a bit on most of them unreliable? Do you view them as being unreliable solely because they are Pakistani, and what you mean by most? -Ljleppan (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only Dawn.com, a Pakistani source, is reliable. However, it is not offering enough details about the battle itself and has largely relied on primary source. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 10:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Daily Times is also a reliable Pakistani newspaper. This is an Indian source: [1]. Some other sources are [2], The Frontier of Pakistan, p.52. Insight 3 (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of them are about the same person "Major Tufail Mohammad", like Dawn. The battle itself lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Sources such as [3], [4] and [5] confirms that this skirmish failed to have WP:LASTING impact.

A much bigger skirmish happened in 1956 where 4 Indians and 10 Pakistanis were killed after Pakistan moved its artillery in the disputed territory.

These skirmishes commonly happen. For a name, they happened even this year but we don't have article on it yet per WP:NOTNEWS. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 15:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a border skirmish - there's been a ceasefire since 2021. This is just Indian forces claiming a "Pakistani infiltrator" was killed in line with the Indian narrative that the Kashmir insurgency is caused by insurgents entering from Pakistan. H&K G3A3 (talk) 07:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - India outright crossed the border and occupied an East Pakistani village, which Pakistani forces subsequently retook. This is much more notable than, and therefore not comparable to the frequent exchanges of small arms and artillery fire before the 2021 ceasefire, or Indian forces claiming they've killed infiltrators from Pakistan (the credibility of these claims is non existent). H&K G3A3 (talk) 07:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC) Sock[reply]

Delete Could be a minor skirmish but I haven't seen significant coverage in any WP:HISTRS sources. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 12:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a factual event in a notable long term conflict, so it should be merged with a another article. There are several history and politics articles where this information would fit. // Timothy :: talk 14:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm going to try to work on the article, I think I found some sources, which if they don't show notability could still be merged; hopefully close could be delayed ~12hrs. // Timothy :: talk 14:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete minor border incident, with few mentions in any kind of publications 50-some years later. Oaktree b (talk) 01:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Past skirmishes and standoffs. Insight 3 (talk) 04:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't support merge because this incident fails WP:LASTING, not just WP:GNG. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 10:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability not established. I don't see a strong case for merging either. Orientls (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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