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The article Trust Issues you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Trust Issues and Talk:Trust Issues/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Ippantekina -- Ippantekina (talk) 04:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 16 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tobey (song), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 2024 song "Tobey" features "3 generations of Detroit"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tobey (song). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Tobey (song)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article Trust Issues you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Trust Issues for comments about the article, and Talk:Trust Issues/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Ippantekina -- Ippantekina (talk) 03:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just wanted to know why is it not necessary? I know articles that have written the YouTube views count, such as the song "Seven" by Taylor Swift (which is a GA), and they're always sourced (at least their GA reviewed version). So I just wanted to ask if there's anything I don't know about such a situation. Please let me know, regards. Medxvo (talk) 09:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Medxvo, most of the times this kind of statements are not cited (especially to YouTube). Because the numbers/views are constantly changing and YouTube is considered unreliable and I'm trying to get the article to GA then FA. I'm currently working on getting Tyla (album) to FA and when I was addressing PR requests, I was instructed to remove YouTube URLs. I did not remove YouTube only, but TikTok too and other social links will be removed too— dxneo (talk) 10:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I have seen several articles using YouTube URLs as sources for lyric or music videos, and they were promoted to GAs. Examples include "Christmas Tree Farm", "The Man", "Cardigan", "Willow", "Champagne Problems", "I Can See You", and "Seven". Also, from what I understand from WP:VIDEOLINK, music videos can be used if needed (if there's no other reliable source). And for the "numbers/views are constantly changing", that's why "as of" and "access-date" are added to the statement and the source, to clarify the exact date. I think YouTube music videos URLs are pretty much different from TikTok and other social media posts, and they can be used if needed. Let me know what you think, thank you. Medxvo (talk) 11:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medxvo, in terms of GAs, it depends on who's the reviewer. For example, see Talk:Trust Issues/GA1, the reviewer was so strict and wanted validation of sources, they didn't care if the content of the source is good or not and that's what makes a Good Article. At PR, YouTube is only tolerated if it's an interview from a trusted publisher (Billboard for example), other URLs can be listed under external links, and no, they do not accept music videos as sources per PS. However, it's okay, you can cite YouTube but if they request that I remove it at GAC, PR or FAC, I won't hesitate. Take care, happy editing. — dxneo (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Music videos are primary sources indeed, but they can be used per WP:VIDEOLINK, since the publisher is Vevo. The "Trust Issues" reviewer was strict about the reliability of some publications, which is understandable and happens at every GA/FA nomination, but that is not what I am talking about here. Anyway, I will not cite YouTube at "Water (Tyla song)", but they may request a source for the YouTube views information when nominating "Water" for GA/FA, I just wanted to point that out. Thank you! Medxvo (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there Dxneo! Thanks for reaching out about the FAC. So immediately, I'd be worried about the album being released earlier this year, and not having enough time to see the legacy of the album. That doesn't mean you need to wait ten years, but I'd be worried about the stability of the article when there's statements like this - the album proves Tyla has the potential to become "one of the genre-defining stars of her generation". While that's certainly potential down the road, it's a bit early to assess that. For instance, Tyla hasn't even gone on tour yet to promote the album (due to the injury). What's going to happen once she starts touring? That's going to affect the article.

So I can certainly assess the article right now, and point out its flaws. Here's a quick few things that stand out right now that you can work on:

• The lead is pretty short, with three short paragraphs. Could you expand any more?
• "The Tyla Tour was announced, some dates of which were cancelled due to injuries." - it appears that most of the dates were canceled? The article for Tyla Tour only indicates one show on the tour that she performed.
• "Tyla self-released her debut single "Getting Late" featuring Kooldrink, which gained popularity in South Africa and piqued the interest of executives at Epic Records." - since this is the debut album, I think you could probably expand on this. How did it gain popularity? Was the single released in 2019? And how did she self-release it?
• "In October 2023, Tyla told Capital Xtra she had been recording Tyla for over two years and that it would mostly be "popiano", a blend of amapiano and pop music." - you should probably explain what amapiano is, rather than just linking it.
• "Part of Tyla was recorded in Portland, Jamaica." - why is this worth mentioning, but not the locations of any of the other countries where the album was recorded?
• "Tyla announced Tyla's release via social media on 30 November 2023." - two things. I'd avoid saying Tyla twice within three words, but more importantly, the album wouldn't be released for a few more months after this date. So maybe something like "announced the upcoming release date" or something?
• The description of "Safer" with "soothing melodies" feels like it was written by a fan, calling it "soothing". Could you find a more neutral way of writing this?
• The album doesn't description doesn't mention anything about No. 1 or Breathe Me. Any reason? What about "Priorities"?
• "and includes raw vocals from Gunna and Skillibeng" - what do you mean by "raw vocals"?
• "Art", the tenth song on the album, has been described as the most-pleasantly erotic song Tyla has released since "Water" - who described this? Also, given the rest of this section is more about the actual songs and not reviews/descriptions of the songs, maybe you could write it to explain how it is the "most-pleasantly erotic song". You're fairly explicit with your description of Water, so you can do the same with Art.
• "The album closes with a remix of "Water", with newly-added rap verses, courtesy of Travis Scott." - this is unsourced
• I'd add when the tour was canceled/postponed, and when the injury was. That seems to be an important moment in the album.
• You mention Tyla's first performance on Colbert, but don't say if the Jimmy Fallon one was her first performance. Maybe remove the fact it was the "first performance", since that doesn't add much?
• Has Tyla performed at all since April? I see there was the BET awards she performed at. I'm guessing there might be a bit missing, since it only goes up to April. This echoes what I said earlier about it being difficult to get an article to FA for such a recent topic. Not impossible, but care is needed.
• Aside from the following, there isn't much mixed to negative criticism: Lim also said despite the "little emotional or energetic dynamism". And the reviews said "Tyla received "universal acclaim" based on a weighted average score of 84 out of 100 from 10 critic scores" But 84 isn't perfect. Try balancing with some other less beneficial coverage.

So those are my main thoughts, having read the article with an eye for it being an FAC in the future. You've certainly done a good job so far on the article, so I hope the above can help. Whatcha think, Dxneo? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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