User talk:Lothringen

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Food Safety in the People's Republic of China

I have cleaned up the the article Food Safety in the People's Republic of China. I have changed the references to Wikipedia:Footnotes, you'll notice that is a lot easier to have the computer count the footnote instead of doing it manually. I have noticed that most of your edits are concerned with China, you may also be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject China, a central place to discuss China related article on wikipedia. again welcome Jon513

Thanks! Lothringen 06:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your new article

Can you clarify if you are creating the new article for China, the People's Republic of China or Mainland China? Michael G. Davis 00:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I intended it to conform to the People's Republic of China definitions, as is clear in the title. If it needs to be further clarified (I never meant to include Taiwan in the article), let me know. Lothringen 02:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. SchmuckyTheCat 03:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I changed the category if that was what was confusing. Lothringen 06:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks more like you are writing on Mainland China. What you have written has nothing to do with the two special administrative regions of the People's Republic of China. Michael G. Davis 19:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified the article according to guideline and to what you have input to the article. Michael G. Davis 21:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael G. Davis, your edits to the PRC Food Safety page made little sense to me, and some were grammatically incorrect. Please either explain why the PRC label is incorrect - I said I was open to correction but it has to have a reason!- before you edit the page. And, please do not edit direct quotations that include the PRC; I didn't write those, and it's not ethical to misquote published sources. And, please do not misspell words or put sentences in the passive voice. If you persist in making unexplained changes to the page, I will edit/revert your changes and will begin taking action against you. By the way, SchmuckyTheCat, thanks for the revert. Lothringen 05:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know which sentences are gramatically incorrect and which words are misspelt. The PRC label is incorrect because the content of the article is not in any way related to PRC's 2 special administrative regions. I explained in the edit summary that my edit was made per content of your article. Michael G. Davis 10:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the first two paragraphs from the People's Republic of China page.

"People's Republic of China, commonly known as China or abbreviated to PRC ... is a country in East Asia. With over 1.31 billion people, it is the world's most populous country. At over 9.5 million km² (3.7 million square miles), it is the world's third or fourth largest country in terms of total area, and second largest in land area.[1] Its capital is Beijing. The Communist Party of China (CPC) has led the PRC under a single-party system (excluding Hong Kong and Macau) since the state's establishment in 1949. The PRC is involved in a long-running dispute over the political status of Taiwan. The CPC's rival during the Chinese Civil War, the Kuomintang (KMT), retreated to Taiwan and surrounding islands after its civil war defeat in 1949, and traditionally has claimed legitimacy over China and Mongolia while it is the ruling power of the Republic of China (ROC). The PRC regards the ROC claims as illegitimate. The term "Mainland China" is sometimes used to denote the areas under PRC rule, but usually excludes its two Special Administrative Regions: Hong Kong and Macau."

The PRC clearly includes both mainland China and the two special administrative regions. Your edits were unclear because, while you did say you wanted the content changed, you didn't specify why that content was wrong in the first place. You need to explain why my label of the PRC is incorrect, not just say it is. As for your grammar and misspellings, you can compare your version of the page to mine, and they are highlighted in red. You changed several quotations near the top of the page, and under the 2004 section, you changed 100 to 00, for example.Lothringen 17:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it includes mainland and the two special administrative regions. But what you have written has nothing to do with the two special administrative regions. The ministries and departments you wrote about, for example, do not have any responsibilities in the special administrative regions. They are responsible only in mainland China. Michael G. Davis 12:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if you read the cases, you will find the two special administrative regions covered. And I'm not saying people can't add information. The two special administrative regions get most of their food from the mainland, so there is an obvious connection. And as far as I know, agencies such as Commerce that deal with food shipment, are connected to the two special regions. Lothringen 17:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Many places import food from mainland China, too, and there are obvious connections as well. The Commerce Ministry deals with all exports, to special administrative regions and to other countries alike. Michael G. Davis 18:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But not all places import upwards of 70-80% of their food from mainland China, not all are subject to PRC regulations, and not all are as vulnerable to the food safety problems that arise. And my basic point still stands that the article is not limited to the mainland if someone wants to include departments or cases from the two special administrative regions. There is no good reason to exclude the two special administrative regions; they are under the same central authority even if they don't share every department.Lothringen 02:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lothringen, you can ignore Michael G. Davis. SchmuckyTheCat 20:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be rude, but, unless one of you two is going to say something productive that would improve the page I am making, take your fight somewhere else. I might be new to wikipedia, -and am very glad for assistance on the topics!- but I don't appreciate the sass. Lothringen 00:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]