User talk:Jenseog

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A tag has been placed on User:Ecoofficegals, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended for publicity and/or promotional purposes. If you intend to edit constructively in other topic areas, you may be granted the right to continue under a change of username. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, website or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but such groups are generally discouraged from using Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

Probably not, although if you can demonstrate a pattern of future editing in strict accordance with our neutral point of view policy, you may be granted this right. See Wikipedia's FAQ for Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, organization, or clients. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit Wikipedia again.

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If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Peridon (talk) 18:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Jenseog (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I apologize for the error, it seemed to want some info about the user and in haste I just dropped my about page content in, you can remove all content, I tried to edit all but one generic line, but can I be reactivated to write an article requested by a client please? My info in not important I didn't mean to break rules and definitely didn't intent on spamming

Decline reason:

Procedural decline - new request opened. Peridon (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You do know that we don't approve very highly of paid editing? It's not totally banned (unless I've missed something...), but mostly it presents problems. One is that the people and companies that want desperately to get on Wikipedia don't stand a cat's chance in hell of getting on. (Notability and referencing rules.) Another is that PR people usually can't stop using PR speak - and that sort of talk is deleted as advertising. As to being unblocked, you won't be (apart from for requesting a name change) under that name. Someone else will decline your request. Have a good think. Look at the possible sources that are independent AND reliable for what you might want to say about your client. Can you avoid PR speak? Most PR people (and estate agents/realtors) can't. If you think you can make it, try again with a new name suggested. No Eco, no office, no gals. Best not your own name IMO. You could be Gertie the Aardvark, Simon the Cellarer, HTKN67492 or whatever. (Best not Whatever - there are very close ones already...) Peridon (talk) 20:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This user's request to be unblocked to request a change in username has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Jenseog (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Requested username:

jenseog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Request reason:

I understand your concern Peridon, please know honestly I was paid for 1 hour of my time to assist a long time client not a business and payment was for the learning curve of which I have eaten up just trying to get unblocked so actually doing the article will be on my time by the time I fix this. I am not a PR person so rest assured I wouldn't know PR Speak if I was reading it and surely don't know how to write in this manner. Hopefully my new username is more satisfactory? Thank you for your assistance with this. I will happily lease the user page completely blank after this initial blunder. Thanks again.

Accept reason:

Allowing username change to requested username. Please put this request in at Wikipedia:Changing username as soon as possible to avoid re-blocking. Scroll down to Simple. Might be done quickly, might take a couple of days. Peridon (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good Morning, just checking on on my request for new user name, do I need to do anything else or are we good? Thanks. --Ecoofficegals (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jen. You're going to lose money on this but here's some of what you need to understand. Don't be impatient and make more unblock requests. Doing so is considered disruptive and could get your ability to edit even your own talk page suspended.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It may never be used to promote anything or anyone. Your client most likely wants exposure here for that reason. From what you wrote, you are not here to create an encyclopedia, WP:NOTHERE in wiki-jargon.

To have an article, anyone or anything must be sufficiently notable. All the content of the article must be verifiable in independent reliable sources. Click on those blue links and scan the content. If your client does not meet the notability standard, then he, she or it may not have an article on Wikipedia. Might be best to cut your losses and give a refund.

Creating a Wikipedia article takes more time than banging together a skeleton Wordpress page. You will need to learn some wiki markup and how to make in-line citations to support the article's content. It's like writing a college paper with footnotes. It takes time to write an acceptable article. It takes a lot of time to write a good article and even more to promote an article to the featured article level.

Follow instructions for getting unblocked literally. You apologized and acknowledged your error but didn't "Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked." Be specific. Something like, "for now, I want to write an article about Widget Waffers. I reviewed the guidelines and they're notable. I already found some reliable sources to cite. I also want to learn about Wikipedia and how to contribute to the encyclopedia in a productive way. I'm interested in..." If you can't honestly write something like that in your own words, again, it's probably best to cut your losses.

If you are interested in continuing, I will help out. You can see an example of what I do here. Note the time stamps, though. Getting the Martin Elkort article to acceptable standards took a couple of hours a night over four evenings. If you're willing to devote some time to learning about Wikipedia, I will help you. Let me know. For now, take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) Join WER 18:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DocTree, Thank you for clarifying. I did miss the justification for requesting to be unblocked, once again my apologies. This is more a learning experience then a paid project, at the request of a client. Now by client I mean I design websites for her, but this was something different she just asked if I would be interested in trying since she does not want to ask a PR person, for your reasons previously addressed. I would be grateful for your assistance, she is an established author and publisher and well known in a a very large community of indy entrepreneurs, all references to any facts will be cited from books she has written or collaborated on. So, yes I feel I have all the requirements covered adequately, but would be grateful for your input in making sure this is completed to your standard. Does this explanation and a change in my username, due to my initial blunder warrant an acceptable reason to proceed? Thank you again for your time. --Ecoofficegals (talk) 19:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to take a chance. You seem willing to learn, which most aren't... Now, books. If they're self-published as your use of the words indy and publisher suggests to me, they probably won't be much use in showing notability. Mind you, not everything from the regular publishers does. Self-published stuff hasn't got the chances of review in independent sources that regular stuff gets. It takes a lot to show that something self-published is of note. (Probably the most and least notable example I've seen was an 18 page book self-published and on Amazon for £98. Probably didn't sell any. Judging by the stuff he tried to post here, it would be totally unreadable.) Talk with Doc about what's what. He's used to sorting problems gently. (I tend to bang heads together to stop arguments...) Good luck. Peridon (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this author is of much higher standards and quality, but I will defiantly ask Doc his thoughts and if it's determined she is just not notable enough at this time I respect that, and will let her down gently. Thank you and again I am very sorry for the mishap! --Ecoofficegals (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jenseog. It worked, and pretty quickly. So let's get to work.

I recommend that you do the work in userspace page, probably your sandbox. You can either devote your sandbox to your first article or use the sandbox as a convenient table-of-contents, my personal choice as you can see here, and make sub-pages for your work. A subpage is a convenient place to stash references and links to guides as you work. To see what's up with the wiki-markup, just click the Edit tab near the top of the page.

So create a page (just one character and Save creates it) and start writing. Since you do web design, you're already used to working with multiple windows and tabs open. Ht that edit tab on a few examples of biographies, perhaps: Enid Blyton, a good article, Martin Elkort for an example of a more typical bio, and maybe my draft at User:Doctree/sandbox/Beth Brown. Don't let all the code throw you; one-step-at-a-time and it's easy, no more complicated that css or html.

So be bold. Start writing your biographical article in your sandbox or a sub-page. Just text, for now, with notes on where you got the information from in independent, reliable source. All the wiki-code can wait for a bit... or you can start adding it as you go just by copying from what you see in existing articles or my draft. I'm watching your page and will see your start and comment once you're going.

Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) Join WER 15:42, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PS: It's customary to put a colon before each paragraph on your replies in talk pages to indent slightly and thread the conversation.

Like this... Add more colons as you get further down the thread. Don't leave spaces at the start of lines as that makes things look very odd. (Try it in your sandbox.) To start a subpage or sandbox, type in User:Jenseog/Sandbox (or click that and save it, or change 'Sandbox' to a title, save and then click and save). If it all goes pear-shaped, put {{db-u1)} at the top and someone will delete it. Peridon (talk) 19:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]