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Hello, Max Borghetti is the author of the song because on Starlight, they take a sample interpolation from the song "Maniaca" by Abraham Mateo, where Borghetti is the composer of that song. If you look at other wiki sites, you are going to see his name listed and credited on this track. Also, we are talking with the record label to update the metadata of the song itself. 37.159.37.58 (talk) 10:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please link the other wiki sites you're referring to, because like I said on your talk page; I can't find any other sources. Also, if you're still talking with the record label, then I assume they have not yet confirmed the song credit, until that is resolved the credit should also not be added here. DragonFury (talk) 10:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are various links that conform the Max Borghetti credit:

https://dreamcatcher.fandom.com/wiki/Starlight

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:_Save_Us

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:_Save_Us

https://genius.com/Dreamcatcher-starlight-lyrics

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:_Save_Us 37.159.37.58 (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are all wikis that can be edited by anonymous IP's or by anyone who is willing to make an account, they are not reliable sources for proper song credits. What's more; for four out five links, I can see the edit history. For the DC fandom wiki the edit was made today, and for the international Wikipedia articles the edits were made by anonymous IP's that either closely or exactly match yours. So not only are these not reliable sources, they are sources you altered to fit your narrative.

Meanwhile, I haven't exactly been sitting on my ass either. Turns out Abraham Mateo has a Wikipedia page that includes his discography. The song "Maniaca" was released in 2023, "Starlight" was released in 2022. Pray do tell how they interpolated a sample from a song that wouldn't be released by another year. DragonFury (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You raise a valid point about the credibility of wiki edits and the importance of verifying the information from reliable sources. However, it's crucial to consider the entire lifecycle of a song from composition, registration, to its release.

The song "Maniaca" by Abraham Mateo, while publicly released in 2023, was indeed recorded and registered in 2021. This timeline is significant because it establishes that the composition existed prior to the release of "Starlight" in 2022. In the music industry, it’s common for songs to be written and registered long before they are publicly released. This gap allows for production, marketing, and strategic release planning.

Moreover, it's worth noting that the perceived similarity between "Starlight" and "Maniaca" by fans, as mentioned, could indeed stem from an interpolation of a base melody that was registered and therefore existed before the creation of "Starlight". This scenario indicates that while "Maniaca" was released later, its foundational elements were already available and could have been accessed or inspired the later work, either consciously or unconsciously.

Therefore, the assertion that "Maniaca" influenced "Starlight" holds merit based on the registration and creation timeline, despite the release dates. This explanation aligns with common industry practices and the nature of musical composition and production timelines.

Link of the fan explanation: https://x.com/hey_leiko/status/1829758023281119654 37.159.37.58 (talk) 13:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fan explanations are not reliable sources. Someone going "hey, this song sounds like this other song I know of" is not enough to start editing Wikipedia articles. If Leez, Ollounder, or Dreamcatcher Company provide clarification and/or announce the credit should be included we can add it here as well. Until then, this is a dispute between them and the claimant, Wikipedia should reflect the outcome of that dispute once it's resolved, but it should be pro-actively start including these credits. DragonFury (talk) 13:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input, but I must respectfully disagree. While fan interpretations alone should not be considered reliable sources, the situation we're discussing involves more than just fan speculation. In cases where there is a significant level of discussion and potential evidence, such as similar musical structures or widespread claims that gain attention, it’s important to document these disputes and discussions, even if they are unresolved.

Wikipedia's role is to provide a comprehensive and neutral perspective on topics, which includes acknowledging ongoing debates, especially when they are significant within the fanbase or media. By noting the existence of such claims, with appropriate caveats, we aren't asserting them as fact but rather reflecting that a discussion is happening. This is particularly relevant in the music industry, where credit disputes can have important implications.

However, I agree that we should exercise caution and not include definitive credits without official confirmation. What I propose is to mention that there is a dispute or claim regarding the credit, clearly indicating that it is unresolved and awaiting clarification from official sources like Leez, Ollounder, or Dreamcatcher Company. This approach maintains the neutrality and accuracy of the article while also acknowledging the ongoing conversation.

In conclusion, by documenting the dispute rather than ignoring it, we provide a more complete and balanced view of the situation, which is in line with Wikipedia's principles of verifiability and neutrality. 37.159.37.58 (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While it is Wikipedia's goal to be comprehensive and neutral, it still requires additions to be properly sourced and referenced. Including a comment regarding a dispute about crediting can be done, but so far I've not seen any reliable source that says there even is a dispute. A Twitter account and an anonymous IP on Wikipedia are not enough basis to include such claims in the article. DragonFury (talk) 13:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS. please continue the discussion on the article's Talk Page so other Wikipedia editors might add their thoughts and opinions. In future I will only respond there, and not on my personal talk page here. DragonFury (talk) 14:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]