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I'm glad someone looked at that page. I found them via searching the archives of this site. I figured some storms might have been overlooked, and by searching from August to September, I might find things in the peak of the season when waters are warmest. Hurricanehink 01:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I wish I could make it part of the actual article, but unfortunately much of what I wrote was based on using the satellite images I linked to above. I, too, am fascinated about unusual developments, and think this is one of the most mis-understood basins. As you can see, there are numerous storms that could have been classified as a tropical storm, and two that could have been hurricanes. The NHC needs to step up to the plate and actually issue warnings for these storms. Though they may only happen once a year, the one time could result in a shipping accident or an unprepared city for a tropical storm. Ugh, oh well. Thanks for the kind words. Hurricanehink 04:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, and I wrote a summary for the October one. If you find any other Mediterranean ones with eyes, let me know, because I'll write a full summary for it as well. Hurricanehink 03:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The first looked more extratropical, but the second, at least earlier in the day, was possibly subtropical. Hurricanehink 21:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's alright, but based on how short lived it was, I personally think it is extratropical. No biggie though. Hurricanehink 02:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. The August 30 storm was probably not tropical, but based on the visible circulation on the IR and the convection to its north, I think it was a subtropical storm. The other storm had too large of a circulation and not enough deep convection to be a storm, IMO. However, this is mostly between you and I. I doubt anyone looks at that page. Hurricanehink 20:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! The naming list is cool, but there should be two and we should talk about it. A couple of names can't be used; Rachael, Virgil, and Winifred (all used in EPAC). What about Rosanna, Vasco, and Wilda? Also, if you want it to be as authentic looking as possible, you should use Mediterranean names; French, Spanish, Italian, Greek, etc. For example, yours could start with Adéle, Bernardo, Cassandra, Dimitris, etc. Here's mine (I'll reverse the gender of the ones you did).

The lists can be used sequentially; if the last storm of the season was Claude, the first of the next year would be Delia. Sorry, but I couldn't help but add X, Y, and Z, mainly to extend the time period between lists. Is it possible for you to do the same for yours? Not just X, Y, and Z, but have strictly Mediterranean names? Hurricanehink 21:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I hate when life interferes with life or vice versa! :) Hurricanehink 22:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! Hurricanehink 18:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, why not? Hurricanehink 18:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, that works. However, the naming list should've started in 1983 or so. Hurricanehink 19:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I didn't think of it. Some nice girl from Italy emailed me about those! Talk about random. Hurricanehink 21:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, yea! Hurricanehink 22:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I moved "User Cyclone1/Hickenese Language" to "User:Cyclone1/Hickenese Language" (notice the colon). Without the colon you'd actually created an article in the main wikipedia with the weird title "User Cyclone1/Hickenese Language" as opposed to a user-subpage. I will go ahead and put the original page on speedy delete (it's just a redirect now). Please update your own link on your userpage. Happy editting. Bobak 16:37, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some coincedences you may have missed. First, in the Allison section, both came from EPAC disturbances! 1989 Allison came from Cosme, while 2001 Allison came from a tropical wave that entered the EPAC then moved north into the GOM. Also, they lasted a long time for an early system. 1989 Allison lasted 13 days as it went from Texas through Midwest to dissipate in Texas again. 2001 lasted 14 days as it went from Texas to Mid-Atlantic. The longevities are a pretty amazing coincedence as well, with only a 1 day difference.

Next is the Olivia coincedence. 1971's and 1978's Olivia both came from Atlantic hurricanes; Greta and Irene. Both Irene and Greta moved through the southern Lesser Antilles as depressions, and redevoped into hurricanes in the EPAC. Irene was a minimal hurricane that became a major hurricane, while Greta was a major hurricane that became a minimal hurricane. Irene and Greta crossed into the EPAC on the same day! September 20. Both Atlantic seasons were above average (12 and 13), and both EPAC seasons had 18 storms form. That's all I found so far, but I think this coincedence is pretty amazing, IMO. Hurricanehink 14:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool :) I'll keep looking for some more. Hurricanehink 14:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm glad you like the page. As far as the alpha-epsilon, I am going to wait to write those because the NHC is making a new back-up list for 06 (if they hold to their plans), instead of using the Greek Alphabet when the list runs out. So I will wait until they release that list. If worst comes to worst and a Cat. 4 doesn't form in May, I will be quite disappointed. Weatherman90 01:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• By the way, I really like how your 2007 season is coming along. The tracks for Felix and Humberto are quite creative. Weatherman90 02:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exsqueeze me? I cant totaly understand your question! You want to know the hurricanes to hit me?
— HurricaneDevon @ 01:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat you can call me a lier, I really don't live in Tampa, but I live close by (@ leat an hour away). But if not an exact hit, but affected. I was affected by Charley, Frances, Jeanne, and Wilma. Somewhat also Ivan, Dennis, and Katrina. I used to live in long island pre-2001, and I was hit by Floyd in '99. Not that it's about my, but my Rhode Islander nana was hit by the Long Island Express. The reason I say I was hit by them is another way of saing affected by. But I did loose power and had minimal house damage from Charley, Frances, and Jeanne. — HurricaneDevon @ 01:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In order to get a custom signature, click on "My Preferences" on the upper right and insert the formatting and text you want your signature to contain (or, click here). I personally included the date and time directly into my nickname to allow for special formatting, so I sign with three tildes (~~~) rather than four.

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That's really it. —Cuiviénen, Thursday, 20 April 2006 @ 23:25 UTC

Yes. (You check the "raw signature" box.) —Cuiviénen, Friday, 21 April 2006 @ 03:08 UTC

Actually, you have a typo in your signature now. Both links lead to "User:Cylone1". Cheers! —Cuiviénen, Saturday, 22 April 2006 @ 02:59 UTC

The eroor also extends to the link to your user page (Cyclone), which still links to User:Cylone1. —Cuiviénen, Saturday, 22 April 2006 @ 21:27 UTC

I fixed the typo for you on User:Cyclone1/Signature. —Cuiviénen, Saturday, 22 April 2006 @ 21:28 UTC

Why the heck did you discontinue your 2007 hurricane season page, it was amazing! I highly suggest you revive it. Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You need to decategorise that page, userpages should not be in article categories. especially not FAKE ones as some newbie who stumbles upon them can mistake this for real. NSLE _(T+C) at 01:14 UTC (2006-05-3)

It comes from the templates. Substitute all of them, and manually remvoe the category links. NSLE _(T+C) at 05:43 UTC (2006-05-04)

I stumbled across your 2007 page, and saw that there was this discussion. You may want to note that WP:NOT a free webhost, so your fake track maps of the 2007 storms which eat up valuable space may be against policy. You may want to consider asking an admin to delete the track maps (as author request), and instead use text? Chacor 15:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to quote the relevant part, "File storage areas. Please upload only files that are used (or will be used) in encyclopedia articles or project pages; anything else will be deleted. If you have extra relevant images, consider uploading them to the Wikimedia Commons, where they can be linked from Wikipedia." Emphasis is mine. Chacor 15:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, that wasn't what I mean, actually. As these images are not real and are not intended for encyclopedic use, they shouldn't even be on Wikipedia, per policy. I suggest asking an admin to delete the images, and instead, you may want to use text to describe storm positions (like in RL TCRs)? Chacor 15:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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.......... (cue loud, drawn out expleive) What happened? This isn't just a disaster. This is a crisis, an emergency. (expletive) Where'd it go? This is not funny!! (one more expletive, just for fun) Hurricanehink 23:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It better, or else... I'm not sure who I'm threatening, but you don't want to see me angry... (what the hell, one more expletive). Hurricanehink 23:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, someone. The only rational thing I can think of, besides a computer error, is that they are re-uploading the old ones. A lot of old images do have some problems. Other than that or a computer error, there's no excuse. I'll email them. Hurricanehink 23:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, everything's still there. Example: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/rsad/gibbs/1992/1992.html . Replace the "1992" with any other year and it'll work. -- RattleMan 05:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's different. Earlier last night, no individual links were working. I went through some of the uploaded images and the link directly to where I got them from, and none of them worked. Thanks for the update. Hurricanehink 12:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I mailed them. No response yet, though. Hurricanehink 18:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good. :) Hurricanehink (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's fine. It's not that long; atleast at the moment. Icelandic Hurricane #12 17:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I'm sort of done with that. My ADD has forced my attentions elsewhere, namely Atlantic storms again. Good luck, though, with the South Atlantic page. Let me know when it's done. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, Med storms are pretty cool. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, very true! Hurricanehink (talk) 00:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Tropical cyclone editor,

As a member of the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject, you are receiving this message to describe how you can better tropical cyclone articles. There are hundreds of tropical cyclone articles, though many of them are poorly organized and lacking in information. Using the existing featured articles as a guide line, here is the basic format for the ideal tropical cyclone article.

1. Infobox- Whenever possible, the infobox should have a picture for the tropical cyclone. The picture can be any uploaded picture about the storm, though ideally it should be a satellite shot of the system. If that is not available, damage pictures, either during the storm or after the storm, are suitable. In the area that says Formed, indicate the date on which the storm first developed into a tropical depression. In the area that says Dissipated, indicate the date on which the storm lost its tropical characteristics. This includes when the storm became extratropical, or if it dissipated. If the storm dissipated and reformed, include the original start date and the final end date. Highest winds should be the local unit of measurement for speed (mph in non-metric countries, km/h in metric countries), with the other unit in parenthesis. The lowest pressure should be in mbars. Damages should, when available, be in the year of impact, then the present year. The unit of currency can be at your discretion, though typically it should be in USD. Fatalities indicate direct deaths first, then indirect deaths. Areas affected should only be major areas of impact. Specific islands or cities should only be mentioned if majority of the cyclone's effects occurred there.
2. Intro- The intro for every article should be, at a minimum, 2 paragraphs. For more impacting hurricanes, it should be 3. The first should describe the storm in general, including a link to the seasonal article, its number in the season, and other statistics. The second should include a brief storm history, while the third should be impact.
3. Storm history- The storm history should be a decent length, relatively proportional to the longevity of the storm. Generally speaking, the first paragraph should be the origins of the storm, leading to the system reaching tropical storm status. The second should be the storm reaching its peak. The third should be post-peak until landfall and dissipation. This section is very flexible, depending on meteorological conditions, but it should generally be around 3. Storm histories can be longer than three paragraphs, though they should be less than five. Anything more becomes excessive. Remember, all storm impacts, preparations, and records can go elsewhere. Additional pictures are useful here. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its peak, use a landfall picture in the storm history. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its landfall, use the peak. If the landfall is its peak, use a secondary peak, or even a random point in the storm's history.
4. Preparations- The preparations section can be any length, depending on the amount of preparations taken by people for the storm. Hurricane watches and warnings need to be mentioned here, as well as the number of people evacuated from the coast. Include numbers of shelters, and other info you can find on how people prepared for the storm.
5. Impact- For landfalling storms, the impact section should be the majority of the article. First, if the storm caused deaths in multiple areas, a death table would work well in the top level impact section. A paragraph of the general effects of the storm is also needed. After the intro paragraph, impact should be broken up by each major area. It depends on the information, but sections should be at least one paragraph, if not more. In the major impact areas, the first paragraph should be devoted to meteorological statistics, including rainfall totals, peak wind gusts on land, storm surge, wave heights, beach erosion, and tornadoes. The second should be actual damage. Possible additional paragraphs could be detailed information on crop damage or specifics. Death and damage tolls should be at the end. Pictures are needed, as well. Ideally, there would be at least one picture for each sub-section in the impact, though this sometimes can't happen. For storms that impact the United States or United States territories, this site can be used for rainfall data, including an image of rainfall totals.
6. Aftermath- The aftermath section should describe foreign aid, national aid, reconstruction, short-term and long-term environmental effects, and disease. Also, the storm's retirement information, whether it happened or not, should be mentioned here.
7. Records- This is optional, but can't hurt to be included.
8. Other- The ideal article should have inline sourcing, with the {{cite web}} formatting being preferable. Always double check your writing and make sure it makes sense.

Good luck with future writing, and if you have a question about the above, don't hesitate to ask.

Hurricanehink (talk) 20:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, Storm05 made the article on the mainspace, but I merged it due to lack of quality. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was after your subpage. He copied and pasted it to the mainspace. The writing would have to be improved if you want to publish it, along with more information. Don't worry about E. Brown any more. He's not around too much, and he's practically against anything new on the Wikiproject. He's a rabid mergist, he was against having any storm pictures, he was against having locational hurricane articles (List of New Jersey hurricanes, List of New England Hurricanes), and he was against extending the List of Atlantic hurricane seasons past 1890. If you want to make an article, just make sure there's a lot of information and it's well-written before publishing it. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. It's better, but I still don't think there's enough information on the depression. Generally, as a rule of thumb, you need to use more than one source for it to live as an article. I would personally love to have a depression article, but lack of information seems to stop it. For this storm, you mainly just have the fact that the depression, combined with the trough, caused the rains that killed 400. You'll need more for an article. Are there any rainfall totals? Are there any damage specifics? No offense, but currently, there's little content outside of the season summary. Hurricanehink (talk) 11:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL about the search engine. That's a little unfortunate, but it looks on mostly every page on the web for those terms. Not sure what that miracle storm would be. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that could work. There's probably more, given that it hit the US. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I just did a quick search, and here's some links you can use.

• NHC Report
• Canada Effects
• Florida Damage Info

Yea, those pics from the Leslie rainfall page, located here, are Public Domain and available for uploading. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a bad start. However, a lot is needed for it to become a real article, and I mean no offense by any of the following. First, inline sourcing is needed for the entire article. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Basically, every sentence in the article should be cited. The writing is poor throughout the article. More info is needed in the Florida section. The storm caused nearly a billion damage. The text should go into detail of the damage. The probably in the impact section should be removed, as for an article, it needs to be yes or no. Keep trying, and this could eventually be an article. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But "Henri" does have an article. It's just part of the Perfect Storm article. Also, the precursor to Leslie did a lot of damage, so I think an article couldn't hurt. The system should have an article, and if it's not on Leslie, what would it be about? Hurricanehink (talk) 19:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The precursor storm was directly related to Leslie, though. The northeast flooding combined Tammy, 22, and a cold front. The October flooding was just due to Leslie. Finding information might be hard, so maybe you should pick another article. What about adding more information to an existing article? There are a lot of retired hurricane articles that should be better but aren't. You could pick one from the list; Marilyn, Opal, Roxanne, Keith, Iris, Isidore, Lili, Fabian, or Juan. They are retired ones since 1995, and thay all need some work. Having a lot of new articles aren't needed. We need more good articles. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great, and good luck! Hurricanehink (talk) 19:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This should be made into its own article. I'm sure it's okay. It would be at least a start class, I think. íslenska hurikein #12_(samtal) 01:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, I too am working on a Leslie article. I thought you gave up on yours, so I just went ahead and worked on it. It's currently on my computer, and will be ready by Tuesday at the latest. Sorry, I guess, but you can add whatever I missed when I publish it... unless you finish yours first. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I'm working on it, but work called the last two nights, so I haven't had much time to work on here. I'll let you know when it's done. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie is done. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Hurricanehink (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1, June 4, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

This is the monthly newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The Hurricane Herald aims to give a summary of the activities of the WikiProject over the past month and upcoming events over the next month. In addition monthly tropical cyclone activity will be summarized.

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Storm of the month

Typhoon Chanchu was the first typhoon and first super typhoon of the 2006 Pacific typhoon season. Forming on May 9 over the open western Pacific Ocean, Chanchu moved over the Philippines on the 11th. There, it dropped heavy rainfall, causing mudslides, crop damage, and 41 deaths. It moved into the South China Sea, where it rapidly strengthened to a super typhoon on May 14, one of only two super typhoons recorded in the sea. It turned to the north, weakened, and struck the Fujian province of China as a minimal typhoon on the 17th. The typhoon flooded 192 houses, while heavy rainfall caused deadly mudslides. In China, Chanchu caused at least 25 deaths and $480 million in damage (2006 USD). Elsewhere on its path, strong waves from the typhoon sank eleven Vietnamese ships, killing at least 44 people. In Taiwan, heavy rainfall killed two people, while in Japan, severe waves killed one person and injured another.

Other tropical cyclone activity

• Tropical Storm Aletta existed in the eastern Pacific Ocean from May 25 to May 29, peaking as a 45 mph tropical storm.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include: Typhoon Joan (1970), Hurricane Bonnie (1986), Tropical Storm Matthew (2004), Storm of October 1804, Typhoon Chanchu (2006) and Cyclone Olaf.

• New non-storm articles include: Tropical cyclone rainfall climatology, Dvorak technique and List of Bangladesh tropical cyclones.

• New Featured articles: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Mitch, Hurricane Irene (2005) and Hurricane Claudette (2003)

• Articles which became A/GA class: Hurricane Katrina (A), Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans (A), Hurricane Felix (1995) (GA), Cyclone Percy (A), Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 (A), List of New Jersey hurricanes (A), Hurricane John (1994) (A), Tropical Storm Isabel (1985) (GA), Tropical Storm Odette (2003) (GA)

New articles and improvements wanted

• An article is requested on subtropical ridge
• The current collaboration of the fortnight is Hurricane Gilbert, please help improve this article.
• Improvements are requested to Indianola Hurricane of 1886, Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew.
• The WikiProject is likely to submit Hurricane John (1994) and Hurricane Katrina to Featured Article Candidates in the near future, so please help improve them to featured standard.

Member of the month

The May member of the month is TitoXD. The WikiProject awards this to him for his brilliant work in improving articles. TitoXD joined the WikiProject in October just after it had been founded. Since then he has contributed substantially to many articles, for example Hurricane Nora (1997), which is currently a Featured Article Candidate. He is also actively involved in the assessment of articles and so helps to improve many more articles.

Explanation of content

If you have a topic which is not directly related to any specific article but is relevant to the WikiProject bring it up on the Newsletters talk page, and it will probably be included in a future edition of The Hurricane Herald.

These two sections are decided by the community on the newsletter's talk page:

• Storm of the month: This is determined by a straw poll on the page. While all storms will be mentioned on the newsletter, the selected storm will be described in more detail.
• Member of the month: Nominations are made on the talk page, voting is by secret ballot; read the talk page for details. The winner receives the WikiProject's barnstar (when we make it).

Main Page content

• 2005 Atlantic hurricane season appeared on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 1.
• Hurricane Floyd will appear on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 17.
• Entries from Dvorak technique, Typhoon Joan (1970), Typhoon Chanchu (2006), and Storm of October 1804 appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know column during May.
• Entries from 5 other articles relating to tropical cyclones had appeared in the Did you know column earlier in 2006.

Storm article statistics

Grade	April	May	June
FA	7	7	10
A	4	5	7
GA	0	3	5
B	62	66	82
Start	154	177	168
Stub	13	12	10
Total	240	263	282
percentage ≥Less than B	69.6	71.6	63.1

The assessment scale

• The cyclone assessment scale is one of the bases of the new assessment scale for Version 1.0 of Wikipedia. It splits articles into several categories by quality, to identify which articles are "finished" and which ones still need to be improved.
• The assessment scale by itself counts of several grades:
  • FA: reserved for articles that have been identified as featured content only.
  • A: this grade is given to articles that are considered ready for Wikipedia:peer review. The way to get this grade assigned to an article is by asking other cyclone editors at the WikiProject's assessment page.
  • GA: reserved for articles that have passed a good article nomination.
  • B: these articles are "halfway there", and have most of the details of a complete article, yet it still has significant gaps in its coverage.
  • Start: articles that fall in this category have a decent amount of content, yet it is weak in many areas. Be bold and feel free to improve them!
  • Stub: these articles are mostly placeholders, and may in some cases be useless for the reader. It needs a lot of work to be brought to A-Class level.
• The way to use these assessments is by adding a parameter to the WikiProject template on the articles talk page ({{hurricane|class=B}} as an example). This feeds the article into a category which is read and parsed to create an assessment table, summary and log.

Just to let you know, you can't copy and paste anything. You have to put those warnings into your own words. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, sorry. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please take no offense by any of the following. I was just looking over at the Simple English Wikipedia, and it is really lacking in hurricane articles. I notice some of your writing is a little simplistic, and you are interested in article creating. The articles are about done here, but there's a world of articles for you to make there. You are too valuable of an asset to have waiting around here, as what we're mostly doing is making small changes to get articles to FA class. Looking at your passion for tropical cyclones, you should consider it. It will need to get done eventually, and I'm sure there would be other people around here to help out there. I mean no offense by this, but your writing is a little too simplistic for here in places. On the Simple English Wikipedia, your work would be extremely appreciated, and you can write on just about anything about tropical cyclones. Give it a thought, and let me know what you think. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, but this would give you an opportunity to become much more hands on. It seems like you've been much more of a background editor, and that should change. I guessed you probably talk well in real life. I have quite a friends who type atrociously online, yet are brilliant speakers. However, I thought, based on your passion for hurricanes, this could be a great opportunity for you to become a major part of something. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, give some time to think about it. It would probably be pretty easy. You would only have to write a mid-sized history with a paragraph or two about impact for articles... The preparations section is a little unusual. Compare it to the preparations section for Hurricane Nora (1997), Hurricane Claudette (2003), or any other FA. You're going to have to do some more research for the article outside of the NHC article. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I will. That means we have a nor'easter in June! Normally they form between October and April. Do you know how long "NOr'easter Danielle" has been around? Also, does it look strong?; I think it might be, becasue I got a lot of it yesterday, but thought it was just another cold front. You know, if you want, you can add information to the page; it would actually be better I think.

Ok. Sorry I didn't do anything; I had school and stuff. íslenska hurikein #12_(samtal) 19:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's a bit too much trivia, and it's worded a bit too unencyclopedically, but the idea for such an article is good... it'd need a renaming as well, but I think it could be a good article. NSLE 06:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem; glad to help! :) --AySz88\^-^ 17:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ive made a template, along with a Hurricane scale for wikipedia, Which allows you to be put into one of the categorys on the Wikipedia Hurricane Scale. You can use it if you want, Its the same thing as Template:Infobox hurricane but ive modified it somewhat. Check my userpage if you want to see an example. Your welcome to use it too! °≈§→ Robomaeyhem: T/←§≈° 00:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number 2, July 2, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

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Storm of the month

Tropical Storm Alberto was the first tropical storm of the 2006 Atlantic hurricane season. Forming on June 10 over the western Caribbean Sea, the system moved northwestward as a disorganized tropical depression due to dry air and wind shear. It passed to the west of Cuba, bringing heavy rainfall to Cuba and Grand Cayman. The rainfall damaged 37 homes and destroyed 3 in Havana. It strengthened over the Gulf of Mexico and became a tropical storm on June 11. The center reformed to the northeast near its deep convection, and Alberto reached a peak intensity of 70 mph (110 km/h) before weakening and hitting the Florida Panhandle on June 13. Alberto brought heavy rainfall to the southeastern United States, peaking at 7.16 inches in Raleigh, North Carolina. The rainfall in Florida was beneficial in places as it alleviated drought conditions. The storm indirectly caused two deaths: A pilot who crashed near Tampa due to poor conditions and a boy who drowned in the flooding in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Other tropical cyclone activity

• Tropical Depression Two-E briefly existed near the Mexican coast on June 3 to June 4 and brought heavy rainfall to Acapulco.
• Tropical Storm Jelawat lasted from June 26 to June 29 in the South China Sea and made landfall on China. The storm caused flooding which killed at least seven people.
• Tropical Storm Ewiniar formed on June 30 east of Palau. It is forecast to reach typhoon strength.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include: Tropical Storm Alberto (2006), Typhoon Patsy (1970), Tropical Storm Larry (2003), Cyclone Steve and Hurricane Danielle (1998).
• New non-storm articles include: Subtropical ridge and List of named tropical cyclones.
• New Featured articles: Hurricane Nora (1997), List of New Jersey hurricanes, Hurricane John (1994) and Hurricane Katrina.
• Articles which became A/GA class include: Tropical Storm Allison (A), Eye (cyclone) (GA), Tropical Cyclone (GA), Project Stormfury (GA), Hurricane Lenny (GA), Hurricane Epsilon (2005) (GA), Hurricane Esther (1961) (GA), Tropical Storm Henri (2003) (GA) and Hurricane Camille (GA).

New articles and improvements wanted

• New article: List of California tropical storms and List of New Jersey hurricanes are both featured lists, so why is there no List of Louisiana hurricanes or List of Cuban hurricanes?
• The current collaboration of the fortnight is Hurricane Fifi, please help improve this article.
• Please help to expand and improve the coverage of Tropical cyclones on Wikinews.
• Improvements are requested to Hurricane Janet, Hurricane Erin (1995) and Pacific hurricane season articles.

Member of the month

The June member of the month is Jdorje. The WikiProject awards this to him for his many contributions to the coverage of tropical cyclones on Wikipedia. Jdorje founded the WikiProject in October 2005 and established much of the categorizations the project depends on. His most significant contributions include the Featured article 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane and his track map generator with which he has created hundreds of track maps.

Main Page content

• Hurricane Floyd appeared on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 17.
• Entries from 5 articles: Tropical Storm Larry (2003), Tropical Storm Henri (2003), Typhoon Kate (1970), Typhoon Patsy (1970) and List of named tropical cyclones appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know column during June.

Storm article statistics

Grade	April	May	June	July
FA	7	7	10	13
A	4	5	7	6
GA	0	3	5	18
B	62	66	82	79
Start	154	177	168	180
Stub	13	12	10	8
Total	240	263	282	303
percentage ≥Less than B	69.6	71.6	63.1	62.0

WikiProject subpages

This is a brief description of some of the subpages of the WikiProject, explaining their purpose briefly, to find out more read the pages.

• Assessments: Provides a series of guidelines to help with the assessment and improvement of articles. Discussion of how to improve specific articles is also held here and future nominations for FAC.
• Merging: Discussion of articles which could be merged is held here. Generally for less significant topics, their articles are likely to be listed here unless very well written.
• Article requests: A list of many possible subjects for articles, with comments on the worth of an article. If you have a topic which you think should have an article, list it here.
• Collaboration: Discussion of the collaboration of the fortnight is held here. Nominate an article for WikiProject collaboration or comment on the existing nominations on this page.
• Newsletter: The content of future editions of this newsletter and selection of Member of the month are discussed here.
• Other topics not relating to a specific article are handled on the main WikiProject talk page.

Thanks to Hurricanehink to maintaining the stats table and producing the storm summaries. Nilfanion (talk)

Cool. Well, good luck with it and deciding on a format. --Hurricanehink (talk) 12:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It loooks good. It's close to publishing time, but you should add more Canada damage whenever possible. Also, unless the extratropical storms did something, you should get rid of them. They take up some space, and all that is said is, "X storm hit Y as an extratropical storm". If you want it to be great when you first start it, you should have inline sources throughout. More pics would be nice. Maybe the formatting could be changed a bit. It seems that most storms don't have damage info, or only very little. You could put much of it into a table, and have a notes section saying (Dropped 1 inch of rain) for example. Then, at the bottom, you could have a "Notable storms" or "Damaging storms" for the other ones with more info. --Hurricanehink (talk) 03:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could base it off the storms section in the List of Arizona hurricanes page. You shouldn't do an exact copy, but you could base it off of that, along with a notes category. --Hurricanehink (talk) 03:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, maybe that doesn't work. You should revert that, I think I was wrong (sorry!). Well, you should publish it, and see what others think on what the layout should be. --Hurricanehink (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Yea, it looks ready for publishing. When you publish it, be sure to add it to the notable Canada hurricanes (any storm article that caused moderate to severe damage in Canada), and be sure to bring it up at the Wikiproject page. There's always people willing to help. --Hurricanehink (talk) 18:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great job! Hurricanehink (talk) 01:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Me, nitpicking?? You can't be serious! Lol. Seriously, all those things would need to be done to get it to FL standard, the first one is important. "Always willing to help", well you've got a weeks worth of editing there right? You have done a good job on it so far.--Nilfanion (talk) 16:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's quite a find! The only thing I can think of is that it was frontal. Very interesting though. --Hurricanehink (talk) 18:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, true. --Hurricanehink (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, very sweet! Thanks for the awesome news. Unfortunately, it looks like nothing on the visible satellite. --Hurricanehink (talk) 15:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, yea. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck with that one. I found a few links that could be helpful to you.

• http://www.honolulu.gov/ocda/hurric.htm
• http://www.honolulu.gov/ocda/hurric2.htm
• http://www.honolulu.gov/ocda/hurric3.htm
• http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/pages/climatology.php
• http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/summaries/

--Hurricanehink (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about the questions. 1) Sure, go ahead and add them in. I think it provides for better summarization once you have all of the storms done. 2) You can ask Nilfanion on his request page for the track map. Just list every storm since 1949 that you want in the map, and he'll do it. 3) What you want is {{Cite web}} formatting. This is basically how you do it. {{cite web|author=Name|year=Year|title=The title for the thing|publisher=Central Pacific Hurricane Center (or omit the section if there is no publisher)|accessdate=2006-08-12|url=www.something.com}}</ref>. Do you got it? Hurricanehink (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. Good luck with the changes. Hurricanehink (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! Hurricanehink (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The tracks done, see the articles talk page (it may need redoing) :P --Nilfanion (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the award, man. I really appreciate it. I see from your signiture that you gave it to me on my birthday. Now I think that's a helluva birthday present! I will always support WikiFreedom. I still resent the paranoya that has fallen over the Wikipedia administration over the past six months. Thanks again! -- §HurricaneERIC§archive 19:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help!, other useres are trying to delete my article but I objected saying that the plane crash is notable. Please vote keep on the vote page in order to save this article. Storm05 14:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yea, I turned 18 yesterday. It feels weird being an adult... :) --Hurricanehink (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I was too tempted with what I had. Of course, I am absolutely convinced that at least one of those storms on my page was a bonifide tropical cyclone :) Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, good timing I guess. I wish the NHC would do a re-analysis of the Mediterranean and/or South Atlantic (or just an analysis in general). Hurricanehink (talk) 03:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, don't worry. That looks pretty impressive, but it's probably a polar low. Its location is at around 40º north, and it's October, which is just the beginning of their season, so it's not likely that it was tropical. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, polar lows can look very nice on satellite images. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AS I HAVE DONE W/ HINK AND ERIC, I AM INTRODUCING MYSELF AND DON'T PLAN ON LEAVING ANY TIME SOON, SO WITH THAT SAID, WHERE IN FLA DO YOU LIVE. Here is my e-mail (i like talking more through e-mail so the fricken world can't read it) act32701@hotmail.com

Hey; could I suggest something that'd shorten your signature? Here should be some code that does about the same as your current code:

<b><i><span style="color:#00008B;">[[User:Cyclone1|→Cycl]]</span><span style="font-size:110%;color:#4682B4;">[[User talk:Cyclone1|one1]]→</span></i></b>

Here's a comparison of the two:

New code: →Cyclone1→
Old code: →Cyclone1→

Hope it helps! —AySz88\^-^ 17:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake; this should work, I think.

<b><i><span style="color:#00008B;">[[User:Cyclone1|→Cycl]]</span>[[User talk:Cyclone1|<span style="font-size:110%;color:#4682B4;">one1]]→</span></i></b>

→Cyclone1→

—AySz88\^-^ 19:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really have an issue, but some people get peeved off at long signatures in the edit window, so it might prevent problems in the future. :) —AySz88\^-^ 20:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As you stated on your user page that Hurricanehink, Icelandic Hurricane, and you think that the Mediterranean cyclone season should have their own season articles, I too agree with you (and your supporters) that there should be a Meditterranean hurricane season article(s). When I also looked in Hurricanehink's and your own Meditteranean season articles, they looked almost like real articles, and admire both of your (and his) pages. Alastor Moody _(talk) 05:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it's a good idea. 'Weird' or at least unusual weather intrests me. Cryomaniac 19:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added my name to the list on you user page, hope you don't mind Cryomaniac 21:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I noticed you made this edit on the 2006 talk page. It seems highly inappropriate to use :) when talking about the chance of a major hurricane. A major hurricane is never a good thing after all. Remember, however "cool" hurricanes are, the human effects of them are bad.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its not that big an issue, just try to keep your excitement in check :P--Nilfanion (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Cyclone1! Guess what, I've made my own two hypothetical or imaginery hurricane articles. After seeing your user page, I made two (so far) on my user page too. Can you check them out and see if they are okay or if their is an error? Also, one more thing, your own hypotherical articles are awesome cause they look almost like real storm articles. Alastor Moody _(talk) 09:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, you know, about the Mexi-cane that makes tornadoes, I just made it up too make the story (including the death tolls) more realistic and also when the remants of Emily moved up the Tronado Alley thats where I made the three tornadoes, although a real hurricane couldn't possibly do that. Alastor Moody _(talk) 21:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Cyclone1, I think I have found a possible southern hemisphere cyclone. If you to see it look here. [1] Alastor Moody _(talk) 21:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have finally finished my second hypothetical hurricane and currently I'm working on mu third one right now just to tell you, but I'm sorry to bother you (if you're busy). Alastor Moody _(talk) 23:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, I've finished my third hypothetical hurricane article (along with some major reviews and changes)! Coming soon will be my 4th and 5th hurricane aricles, with either one as a meditteranean hurricane. The other storm, I'm not sure yet. Alastor Moody _(talk) 07:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Sigh... this isn't a good idea at all. WP:NOT, an official policy of Wikipedia, prohibits use of images that won't be used on project areas, and strongly discourages the use of Wikipedia as an "ideal" storm repository or other personal web hosting, under the "crystal ball" clause. All the hypothetical track map images should be deleted, but as I don't know if you have them on your hard drive, I'll give you a few days to copy them over. As for the storm articles, I'll do the same, unless you prefer to keep a few of them as a "sandbox" to reflect the current programming formatting style for the WikiProject; otherwise, I'll have to list them at WP:MFD. Titoxd^(?!?) 05:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chacor had listed two notable plane crashes up for deletion. Plese vote keep because those plane crashes are notable and an afd is virtually irrelvent. Storm05 15:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number 3, August 6, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

This is the monthly newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The Hurricane Herald aims to give a summary, both of the activities of the WikiProject and global tropical cyclone activity. If you wish to change how you receive this newsletter, or no longer wish to receive it, please add your username to the appropriate section on the mailing list.

"Tropical Storm Lee was probably national news at the time, depending on where it went and what it did. Millions of people knew about it."

Storm of the month

Severe Tropical Storm Bilis approaching Taiwan

Severe Tropical Storm Bilis was a damaging tropical storm that caused significant damage to areas of southeastern China, the Philippines and Taiwan. The fourth named storm of the 2006 Pacific typhoon season formed to the east of the Philippines on July 8 and moved towards Taiwan, strengthening as it did so. It reached its peak strength of 110 km/h (70 mph) on July 13, shortly before it made its first landfall on northern Taiwan. Bilis then made a second landfall in Fujian, China on July 14 after officials evaucated over 1 million residents from the areas in the storm's path. The remnant lasted for several days after landfall and brought heavy rain to inland China. The most significant damage occurred in Hunan, where heavy flooding and mudslides destroyed over 31,000 homes and killed 345. Despite never reaching typhoon strength, the storm was responsible for $2.5 billion in damage and at least 625 fatalities in total.

Other tropical cyclone activity

There were 10 other tropical cyclones worldwide in July, with activity in all 4 northern hemisphere basins.

• In the Atlantic, Tropical Storm Beryl made landfall on Nantucket on July 21 before bringing rain to Atlantic Canada.
• In the East Pacific, Hurricane Bud was a Category 3 hurricane that formed on July 10 and dissipated on July 15.
• Hurricane Carlotta twice became a minimal hurricane before degenerating into a remnant low on July 16.
• Hurricane Daniel reached Category 4 strength and was predicted to make landfall in Hawaii before it dissipated on July 26.
• Tropical Storm Emilia brought tropical storm-force winds to southern Baja California on July 26 and was forecast to become a hurricane but this did not occur.
• Tropical Storm Fabio formed late on July 31 but did not last long in the face of strong shear.
• In the West Pacific,Typhoon Ewiniar (Ester) formed on June 29 to the east of the Philippines, it reached Category 4 strength before making landfall in South Korea on July 10 as a tropical storm. It killed at least 36 people.
• Typhoon Kaemi (Glenda) formed on July 2 and passed over Taiwan before dissipating over mainland China on July 26. It brought heavy rain to Taiwan and the Philippines and killed at least 32 people in China.
• Typhoon Prapiroon (Henry) formed on July 28 but did not reach tropical storm strength until August.
• In the North Indian Ocean, Tropical Storm 03B formed on June 30 near the east Indian coast before making landfall on the Orissa coast on July 2.

Main Page content

• Entries from 3 articles: Tropical Storm Bilis (2006), National Weather Service bulletin for New Orleans region and List of South America tropical cyclones appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know column during July.

New articles and improvements wanted

• New articles are wanted for Fiji Meteorological Service and Papua New Guinea National Weather Service.
• While the individual storm articles are generally quite good, the project's core articles are quite poor. Please help improve tropical cyclone and its subpages.
• Cyclone Tracy has recently had featured status removed, please help improve this article back up to FA standards again.

Member of the month

The July member of the month is Hurricanehink. The WikiProject awards this to him for the superb quality of his work on articles. Hurricanehink joined the project in November and has significantly contributed to many of the project's Featured Articles including Tropical Storm Allison and Hurricane Mitch. In addition to his contributions Hurricanehink also works on the assessment and improvement of most articles within the project.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include: Typhoon Aere (2004), Cyclone Vance, Hurricane Karl (2004) and 1916 Texas Hurricane.
• New non-storm articles include: List of Canadian hurricanes and National Weather Service bulletin for New Orleans region.
• New Featured articles: Tropical Storm Allison, Hurricane Esther (1961), Hurricane Irene (1999). Also, List of South America tropical cyclones became a Featured list.
• Articles which became A/GA class include: Tropical Storm Henri (2003) (A), Typhoon Vamei (GA), Cyclone Rosita (GA), Tropical Storm Harvey (2005) (GA) and Storm of October 1804 (GA).

Storm article statistics

Grade	May	June	July	August
FA	7	10	13	16
A	5	7	6	6
GA	3	5	18	24
B	66	82	79	77
Start	177	168	180	191
Stub	12	10	8	8
Total	263	282	303	322
percentage ≥Less than B	71.6	63.1	62.0	61.8

Useful sources of tropical cyclone information

The following organizations provide helpful information for writing about tropical cyclones, both past and present.

• National Hurricane Center - Official forecasts for the Atlantic and East Pacific and a massive archive starting in 1958.
• Central Pacific Hurricane Center - Official forecasts for the Central Pacific and summaries of past storms.
• Joint Typhoon Warning Center - Unoffical forecasts for storms in the West Pacific and other regions. Has an archive of storm reports back to 1959.
• Japan Meteorological Agency - Official forecasts for the West Pacific.
• Naval Research Laboratory - A great source for satellite imagery of tropical cyclones.
• Hydrometeorological Prediction Center - Forecasts of weakening tropical cyclones in the United States and information and maps of rainfall in the US.
• National Climatic Data Center - Lots of information is available here, including satellite imagery. The Storm events archive is very useful for information on storms in the US and its territories.

In his April Tropical Cyclone Summary, Gary Padgett stated that he will extensively reference Wikipedia in his future summaries. I have communicated with him and he has stated that he is "very much interested in cooperating" with us. He has also provided me with a copy of Jack Beven's weekly summaries (covering 1991-1996). If you want a copy of them, email me.--Nilfanion (talk)

Check it out. I've been nominated for admin. I hope you vote. Thanx. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 19:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From the 2006 AHS:

Wow, this thing is tiny! Gorgoeus, though! I would say I'm predicting a depression... BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! That's not "wikipedia-ish"!! →Cyclone1→ 20:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POINT. Anything more and you'd be liable for a block. This behaviour by everyone dissatisfied has gone on long enough. Chacor 20:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]