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I have added Squaw to my watchlist. Redskin has also been receiving POV edits, removing content from the lead sourced from the Washington Post !?--WriterArtistDC (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Why thank you! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Very kind of you! Thanks! - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Removal of Sourced Material on Squaw
I do understand and appreciate your intent , but removal of sourced material is not OK, regardless of how noble your agenda may be. An appropriate represenation of etymological history is inportant for understanding, regardless of it's ugliness. This is not the place for activist censorship. Your claims of 'unsourced' when the source immediately follows the sentence shows unrestrained reactive behavior. Please refrain from such in the future. Take the time to read. Thank you. Crescent77 (talk) 00:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- You are adding unsourced material. For a while now, there have been multiple sources indicated in the paragraph of the stable version; now you are adding new material without adding any new sourcing. You have not answered what source allegedly cites your addition. I have checked the ones available and it's not there. Please respond to the questions on article talk instead of continuing your drawn-out edit-warring. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 03:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Once again, as is standard, the source is at the end of the sentence. Please read it, so if there is a disagreement with it on your part, that can be discussed. Crescent77 (talk) 13:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Once again, you have not indicated the source. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Once again, it is the reference at the end of the sentence in question. I'm not sure how I could be any clearer about that. No offense intended, but are you intentionally being difficult? Crescent77 (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- You never once indicated which of the three references it is. On article talk I posted that I finally figured out which one you meant. Let's keep this on article talk. It's not a solid, RS source. It's a pamphlet out of Canada that doesn't cite it's source. It mistakenly says it's a whole word. I don't think we should use it. You refused, for days, to indicate which of the refs you meant. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
If you want to keep the article talk in the article talk page, please lead the way. No offense, but I'm sure you can see how hypocritical is to suggest I do so, then continue to talk about it here. And enough already with the gaslighting. I clearly indicated, multiple times, multiple ways, it was at the end of the sentence. You refused, for days, to read it. Once again, thank you for finally taking the time to do so. Talk to you again on the article talk. Crescent77 (talk) 03:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Dude. One edit and talk page discussion is not an edit war. I reverted a blocked proxy. You are abusing templates. People can also see that the blocked proxy IP repeated your edit, if you really want to do this. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there, I am a new user and that reason I normally do minor changes untill I get confidence. Article - Kubrat- I noticed a conflict between my contributions for the article of Kubrat and Beshogur (talk). There are a few theories for the origins of Bulgars, Bolgars, Bulgarians, Volga Bulgars and it is against of the policy of Wikipedia to promote opinions of any kind of users. I really don′t understand why my contributions for the name of Kubrat on his rings, which have been with citations provided to a reliable source, have been removed by Beshogur. Please assist with solving the issue. I am not going to interfere anymore in this article. Article - Bulgars- This article has been locked.I never did anything on it, but I noticed the origin of the BULGARIAN ruller Krum has been noted as Bulgar below the image and in the text and that costs great confusion. Please can you assist his origin to be changed to Bulgarian in the whole text, as he is part of the First Bulgarian Kindom and not any other Kindoms.If Special contributors or even Administrators want to be respected as such, they should not just pick up a likable historical figure and to write down they originates from their country.
Please have in mind the topic is sensitive for the Bulgarians and all opinions should be mentioned.
Thank you very much for your time
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- I'm not sure why you're approaching me with this. Looking at the edits, you appear to be having a content dispute, and from posts on another admin's page, where I gather you found me, there look to be concerns about sockpuppetry. I'm not familiar enough with the article topic to take a position on the content dispute. However, the point other editors have raised - about the need to source any changes you make - is very relevant. I've added some links to your page about the need to cite reliable sources if you in any way alter or add to sourced text. You will also need to seek consensus with other editors. I hope this clarifies the situation for you. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 17:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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I want to discuss the removal of information on Cherokee spiritual beliefs. Not at all concerned with any of the copy/editing. If you feel it's best to discuss on the article talk page I would love to do so. I don't want to offend you or anyone and I thought about it all night to try and find a way to best approach this. After which I sought advice from some that I trust to give me sound counsel. I am very knowledgeable in the spiritual practices of many indigenous tribes in the US but especially the Cherokee, as my mother was Cherokee and her family are traditionalist. You will not find the traditional beliefs in very many sources that most here would consider reliable. The Nation will not post them online or in any other publication. They prefer to allow each member to live it according to how they feel is right. With that being said, I don't think disregarding and wiping out the hard work of others is the answer for either of us. You put a lot of thought into your edits, as did I. That's why I want to discuss the issues you had with what was provided. I will say, the removal of information left the article gutted and failed to adequately explain the beliefs so others would understand the full scope of them. The ancestors taught in stories. If you leave out important details then you aren't offering a complete picture and that doesn't help anyone understand the old ways. Any source I use, myself, is reliable from the subjects standpoint because I will not add information that would dishonor my ancestors. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think this belongs on article talk. These things have to be sourced to WP:RS standards. You also reverted to a version that past-tenses living cultures. If you're not concerned with the edits, why did you revert? As for using WP to publish things that the Nations don't want online... yeah, we're not going to do that. Also please read WP:NOT - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
FYI
You may be interested in the article Indigenous Ways of Knowing. You seem to be familiar with indigenous topics, and that article is written by the editor whom you recently reverted elsewhere. Looking at it, I very much got the impression of a Rousseauan "noble savage" POV. Such as: Gender fluidity was generally accepted in Indigenous nations and gender relations functioned "to promote balance rather than domination and subordination."
And so on with that and other topics. You probably would be good at sniffing out undue weight, unreliable sources, and the like. Crossroads -talk- 03:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up. I noticed that one last night... lots of generalizations and homogenization of diverse cultures. I'm taking it over to the Wikiproject. There are a few like that I've come across that seem like student papers and attempts to use WP to publish OR. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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If you could just leave that page alone for a bit, that would be great. Awoma (talk) 19:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you would not try to order around other editors, that would be even better. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not an order at all. The current quality of the page is good. Considering your multiple previous damaging edits, it would clearly be better if you left the page alone. I'm sure you can improve other articles. Awoma (talk) 18:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- As other admins have pointed out to you, this combative, insulting and disruptive style of yours will not serve you well here. I strongly suggest you stop it if you want to continue editing the 'pedia. But, since this looks to be a WP:SPA or similar account, I won't be surprised if you flame out with this one and then reincarnate. But people keep receipts, and it will catch up with you eventually. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- All my edits have been entirely constructive, and aimed at consensus building. Yours, on the other hand, have significantly worsened the article, initially claiming a consensus which wasn't there, and then claiming you didn't need one. Thankfully, the article has been able to get back to a place of relative quality thanks to contributions from myself and other editors. The accusation of being a WP:SPA is obviously insincere (as evident from a quick look at my edit history) and has been used as a weapon to bop me with. Keep this focused on content please. I have no doubt that you are editing in good faith, but considering the edits on that article, I think your talents should be focused elsewhere, or you should reread wikipedia's guidelines regarding consensus building. All the best. Awoma (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- As other admins have pointed out to you, this combative, insulting and disruptive style of yours will not serve you well here. I strongly suggest you stop it if you want to continue editing the 'pedia. But, since this looks to be a WP:SPA or similar account, I won't be surprised if you flame out with this one and then reincarnate. But people keep receipts, and it will catch up with you eventually. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Not an order at all. The current quality of the page is good. Considering your multiple previous damaging edits, it would clearly be better if you left the page alone. I'm sure you can improve other articles. Awoma (talk) 18:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for your work at Wikipedia. I was looking through some of the stuff associated with Indigenous Ways of Knowing and came across this rather broad-brush article: Indigenous American philosophy. It would be nice to have a compendium of philosophy from various indigenous Americans, but this strikes me as somewhat misguided and much of the text seems so overgeneralized as to be risable! What to do? What do you think? jps (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's another of the problematic articles. Feel free to clean it up, or maybe it also needs AfD. There are already a few articles that attempt this sort of thing, but that are not as much of an offensive mess (at least last time I looked), like Indigenous intellectual property, and Traditional knowledge, among others. A good place to centralize discussion about this would be The Indigenous American Wikiproject. We go in cycles from very active to rather dormant, but a discussion there would bring in a variety of perspectives. :) - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- I tried to start this thankless project. Not sure if I'm doing a good job of it or not. jps (talk) 03:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Found another one. Nahui Ollin. If this gets tiring, let me know. I am just a little amazed at this WP:Walled garden of vague claims about what "scholars" are saying about a lot of these ideas and would like to defer to people who have more editorial experience. jps (talk) 12:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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