User talk:C.Fred

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Can you please take Mugumbate's paragraph claiming Abrahamic religions to be colonial out of the Traditional African religion page? Ethiopian Christianity and North African Islam are not colonial. 2600:1700:B270:75C0:2C37:5BBF:2FAE:25C8 (talk) 06:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why have you not made this request at the article's talk page? —C.Fred (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, C.Fred. I see that edits to that page written about me, have been removed. The original and current page was full of inaccuracies, including my various job titles and awards. I Have NOT received an Oscar. That is a huge misstatement. And as an Academy member that can not stand. I wrote that actual Annie ward that I did receive and that was removed. There is no such job title as an “effects coordinator”, and if there is any where, I have NEVER received it. The changes I made to that page are quite verifiable. I changed the name of my branch in the Academy to ‘The Animation Branch to reflect the reorganization that happened early this year.

The current post has wrong personal info and dates. So I removed information that is not pertinent instead of correcting the inaccuracies.

I have never edited on Wikipedia before. So I will submit my changes for approval before posting. But I ass you everything I changed is actually correct and verifiable within minutes. MarlonWest063 (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing some wrong and non pertinent information about me on my page. I truly appreciate it. Though another zealous editor Orangemike blocked me.

My account has been restored and there are still factual errors to the page that I’d love to have corrected. My attempts to correct them were removed and replaced with the same wrong information.

This opening paragraph for example:

"Marlon West (born March 11, 1963) is an animator and special effects coordinator for Walt Disney Animation Studios. He has been nominated for and won Annie Awards."

I have tried to correct this to:

"Marlon West (born 1963) is an effects animator, Head of Effects Animation, and Visual Effects Supervisor for Walt Disney Animation Studios. He won an Annie Award for Outstanding Achievement in an Animated Production in 2017 for Moana."

Those are my actual job titles that have appeared in the credits of projects I've worked on. As well as how they appear on IMDB:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0998326/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_4_nm_4_q_marlon%2520west

And the single Annie award that I won.

This seems utterly factual and easily verifiable. Not changes that I'd expect to be rejected, and be blocked for.

The following passage is also inaccurate, as it does not reflect changes at the Academy:

"West is a member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences and is on the Board of Governors, specifically the shorts and feature animation branch."

My factual correction:

West is a member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences and is one of two Governors, of the Animation Branch.

This happened in February of this year:

https://variety.com/2024/film/awards/academy-separates-short-films-animation-feature-branch-1235923053/

It was again rejected and wrong information restored. I am flattered that someone would create a page for me, as I am not a public figure. I can't even get a "blue badge" on X or Instagram. So I am very much a private citizen. I'd like simply for this page to reflect true and non-private information about me. It is more than galling to come up against such push back on the site I use daily, when it comes to correcting errors about my own life.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Sincerely,

Marlon West MarlonWest063 (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MarlonWest063 Bear in mind that Orangemike blocked you in the interest of protecting you! You mentioned a blue badge on Instagram; the equivalent thing on Wikipedia, when a user holds themselves out as a notable individual, is to have their information verified by the Volunteer Response Team. Blocking the user while that is pending is a standard precautionary measure.

Under Wikipedia policies, IMDB is of limited usefulness as a source. It can be used to verify credits on a film or similar work, but it can't be used for biographical information, which would extend to a job title. A Disney Animation Studios (public-facing) directory would be useful as a source, since if you're in two singular positions like that, it's reasonable for that to be verifiable from the studio's site.

Regarding the AMPAS Board of Governors, it would help to have more sources (more Variety articles?) about your term and the branch split. The current source, a Variety article, refers to "Academy Short Films and Feature Animation Branch governors Bonnie Arnold, Jinko Gotoh and Marlon West".[1] That leaves some ambiguity: presumably two governors are staying on through FY 25, but it's a little bit of a leap of logic to conclude you're one of them. —C.Fred (talk) 16:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One other note, regarding your comment I am not a public figure. I'm inclined to agree that you aren't "famous enough" to have hit that level, and that means erring on the side of caution in terms of what information is included in Wikipedia about you. In light of that, and especially when I looked at the sourcing, I removed both your middle initial and date of birth from the article. —C.Fred (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the blocking for "my benefit" by Orangemike, it came after our intital conatct. A very resaonable exchange that would suggest you had no concern as to who you were in contact with. It was by any measure an overreach. As a longtime user of Wikipedia, I wish the stewards of the site where as interested in facts as they are in process and flexes of authority.

While it's taking a surprising amount of doing, I appreciate your help in making the information on this page factual and pertinent. MarlonWest063 (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thnaks so much. My point is that I am not a public enough figure that I warrant a "blue badge" on other platforms.

So we are in agreement that erring on the side of caution for peronal info is the best way forward. So thanks.

Again. Annies and Oscars are not awarded the year of release in most cases. While Moana was released in 2016, my Annie was awarded in 2017, as I stated. So please restore that. It is a quite veriviable fact.

My branch is now the "Animation Branch" in the Academy, not The "Short Films and Animated Feature" branch. Either way, the branch name should be captitalized. My term as a governor has another year. So it is not a lead of logic, but again, simple fact that I am one of two governors of that newlt formed branch.

Again this is old news: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/oscars-animation-and-short-films-branch-splits-1235836376/

https://www.indiewire.com/awards/awards/academy-awards-announce-new-short-films-feature-animation-branches-1234957589/

https://www.thewrap.com/oscars-creates-animation-live-action-shorts-separate-branches/

Feel free to wait, if you like. Though in any case, lower case is not the way it should appear.

One more thing, could you remove my child's first name from the last paragraph. Tim is a minor.

Thanks again for your help. MarlonWest063 (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the set of AMPAS governors for the 2024-2025 term. My co-governor Bonnie Arnold has termed out. There are two governors of the Animation Branch for this term. You can see I am one of them. You might also note, as I have now pointed out nmulitple times, the newly elected Short Films Branch governor: Chris Tashima. Yet another source that the Branch is now two branches.

https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-elects-2024-2025-board-governors

This is not a "leap of faith", it is a presentday fact. Please change that entry to reflect that.

Thanks so much. MarlonWest063 (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, I see you have used my proper job titles in the opening paragraph. Thanks!

Strange you'd pushback on IMDB for the proper credits and job titles, as whoever fashioned this page to begin with obvisousy used that to create the wholly acturate filmography included on this page.

Anyway, thanks for you help. One edit at a time. MarlonWest063 (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Just wanted to get your thoughts on this user. Last year, you were involved with this IP. The combativeness and topics of interest passes the duck test. I don't wish to make the situation worse, so I don't want to revert these contributions for example that are blatant additions of unsourced content to a BLP. Their talk page behaviour here shows disregard for talk page rules despite being reverted before for going against WP:OTHERSCOMMENTS. Does WP:NOTHERE come into question? I don't want to go to ANI due to the history between me and this user, but am I able to request an admin to have a look? Should I seek an independent admin? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]