User talk:Aron Manning/SPI:86.187.160.157

THIS IS A BACKUP of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EditorASC on 18:50, 16 May 2019‎ Cabayi 8,459 bytes +195‎ Marking case as closed

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– This SPI case is closed and will be archived shortly by an SPI clerk or checkuser.

• 86.187.160.157 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) location - susp. WP:IPSOCK: only one edit in user history
• 86.187.162.57 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log)) location - only one related edit, 4 unrelated edits 3 months ago
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Dynamic IPs in the same network range (whois): 86.187.0.0 - 86.187.255.255 of British Telecom btcentralplus.com

The IPs repeated 2 deletions made by EditorASC. The original edits about 10 hours earlier:

• diff 1: 20:52, 10 May 2019   -2,326‎ bytes →‎Expert analysis: Rm OR statement that was not found in the cited sources.
• diff 2: 21:17, 10 May 2019   -2,070‎ bytes →‎Speculations: Rm speculations section. Such speculations about the various tracings on the FDR record are controversial, premature, confusing and do not add to the needed factual clarity in this article.

I've reverted these as non-consensus (imo disruptive) deletions:

• diff 3: 06:08, 11 May 2019
• diff 4: 06:13, 11 May 2019

User history before 09:00 shows EditorASC objecting the reverts within 44 minutes:

• diff 5: 06:57, 11 May 2019   +1,002‎ →‎Discussion: 'unable to move the trim wheels by hand' and 'Speculation' section: Pure WP:OR statement was removed and it was wholly improper to revert it back in again.
• diff 6: 07:14, 11 May 2019   +702‎ →‎Discussion: 'unable to move the trim wheels by hand' and 'Speculation' section: Both reverts were improper.

Article history before 09:00 shows the IPs repeating EditorASC's deletions, referring in the comment to the talk page post (06:57), just 48 minutes later (07:45):

• diff 7: 07:45, 11 May 2019‎ 86.187.160.157   2,327‎ bytes   →‎Expert analysis: this claim seems to be wholly erroneous - see Talk page. Please don't restore it until there is consensus on the Talk page to do so. Thanks undo
• diff 8: 08:18, 11 May 2019‎ 86.187.162.57   -2,070‎ bytes   agree with other editor, this is mere speculation that does not add to the factual clarity. No idea why this is considered "revenge". Why not discuss at the Talk page if you think it is so vital? undo Tags: Undo, section blanking

• NPOV: The re-reverts 48 and 81 minutes after EditorASC's first post suggests 2 users watching the talk page, online between 07:57 - 08:45 & 09:18 Saturday morning (British Summer Time).
• Diffs 5-8 follow each other within 20-30 minutes, between 6:57 and 8:18 UTC.
• The IPs come from the same dynamic ip network of btcentralplus.com.
• IP editors were not involved in recent decisions or disputes talk page stats this month.
• The article is regularly edited by ca. 5 registered contributing editors (history stats). A few occasional IP editors made unrelated or insignificant edits (this month's stats).
• The likelyhood of ip-hopping is subtantially higher than 2 anonymous users at the same ISP, watching the talk page early Saturday morning, promptly getting involved in a drama following a heated off-topic discussion (last post before deletions, diff).

• The deleted sentences were added in the last 2 weeks, discussed and edited by a few contributing editors (long thread). There were no concerns raised recently, the consensus accepted these in the present form.
• These IPs share the same view, only voiced by EditorASC and only since diff 1&2 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302#Discussion:_'unable_to_move_the_trim_wheels_by_hand'_and_'Speculation'_section talk page section).
• The edit action and comments of diffs 1&2, 7&8 show strong correlation in style and intention (removing content without consensus).

• EditorASC did not contribute to the article notably (all edits), his only content addition is 2 sentences (diff), but participated in the discussion (all posts), that became off-topic and heated (last post before deletions, diff).
• His deletions came out of the blue, without any mention in the talk page before the edits (imo revenge).

POV: It would be very hard to find 2 users who:

• are so interested in this article and the talk page, but not involved before
• have a very specific minority POV
• both decide to revert in a dispute, instead of discussing it
• are online Saturday morning
• "forget" to log in, but somehow get the notification of a new post or the revert, or look at the article and/or the talk page every half hour
• and who happen to have the same ISP

 Aron M🍁 (➕)  02:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

• This case is being reviewed by Cabayi as part of the clerk training process. Please allow Cabayi to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on Cabayi's Talk page or on this page if more appropriate. Cabayi (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• The IPs were already stale when this case was opened. EditorASC has been reminded to login, {{uw-login}}. Cabayi (talk) 18:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]