User talk:Aopollo
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Hello, Aopollo, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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June 2012
Please do not deletion useful information from articles as you did in your edits to the articles on Kharkov, Krivoy Rog, Simferopol, Sumy, Kirovograd, Chernigov, Rovno, Nikolayev, Chernobyl (city). Your edits were reverted by another user as vandalism.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Rovno. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Donetsk. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Odessa, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Nikolayev, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Rovno, you may be blocked from editing. --Toddy1 (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Kharkov, you may be blocked from editing. --Toddy1 (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Lugansk, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --Toddy1 (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- Since you continue disruption, I brought the issue to the attention of administrators: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Aopollo.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Russian Variants of Ukrainian City Names
You are, of course, quite wrong about the usage of Russian variants of Ukrainian city names. They are quite common. Look at this Ukrainian website where both Rivne and Rovno, Kiev and Kyiv, and Kharkiv and Kharkov are used interchangeably. Look at the official English-language web sites for Kharkiv here and here and you will see both spellings. Look at the official English-language web site for Odessa here and you will see that they only use the Russian spelling. Any further attempts at nationalistic vandalism on your part may subject you to blocks or bans from Wikipedia. Your editing at Chervonohrad was good and appropriate Wikipedia editing. Your deletion of Russian variants from Ukrainian city templates was not appropriate. --Taivo (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- The Russian language is co-official with Ukrainian in some Ukrainian oblasts. For this reason, it is inappropriate to remove the Russian name from the "official name" or "native name" field for their cities. For jurisdictions where Russian has no official status, the Russian name should probably not appear in the "official name" or "native name" fields. —Psychonaut (talk) 20:19, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- If the Russian variant is found with any frequency in English language publications, then the Russian variant should be in the template. The labels "official name" and "native name" are irrelevant in the template editing box since the words "official" and "native" don't appear in the final template display. Look at how it's done at Dnipropetrovsk, for example. Both names are displayed equally with the article name first. English readers don't care about the Ukrainian language politics or the "official" status of any name, they only care about whether they're looking at the right article or not when they've searched for a name that they've seen in an English language publication or web site. Note that on this website, Uzhhorod, the westernmost of Ukrainian cities, is "Uzhgorod". So finding that Russian variant in the template is important for our readers. We should not care about the politics involved, only about our readers. --Taivo (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- In that case, a note should be added to the template's documentation which explains this. Otherwise editors are liable to assume, rather sensibly, that "official name" is only for official names. —Psychonaut (talk) 07:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- Every country has a different linguistic situation. The way that it works in Ukraine isn't necessarily the way it should work in the Philippines, so making the template's notes too specific to the consensus practice that has been worked out on how to list the Ukrainian and Russian names in Wikipedia may be problematic (or confusing) for editors working in other countries with other requirements. The message here for Aopollo is clear, however--do not remove the Russian variants to Ukrainian city names from the templates because it is useful information for our English-speaking readers. --Taivo (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- I wasn't proposing that the template documentation be made specific to the Ukrainian practice. We could add a more general note, indicating that the value of the "official name" and "native name" fields should contain the officially sanctioned renderings, but, depending on local usage, need not be restricted to them. That might prevent misunderstandings of the sort apparently experienced by Aopollo. —Psychonaut (talk) 13:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- The other alternative is to do as we have done in most city templates in Ukraine (just now I fixed a couple that weren't done this way) and don't use the "official name" and "native name" template options at all and just use the "name" option. --Taivo (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- I wasn't proposing that the template documentation be made specific to the Ukrainian practice. We could add a more general note, indicating that the value of the "official name" and "native name" fields should contain the officially sanctioned renderings, but, depending on local usage, need not be restricted to them. That might prevent misunderstandings of the sort apparently experienced by Aopollo. —Psychonaut (talk) 13:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- Every country has a different linguistic situation. The way that it works in Ukraine isn't necessarily the way it should work in the Philippines, so making the template's notes too specific to the consensus practice that has been worked out on how to list the Ukrainian and Russian names in Wikipedia may be problematic (or confusing) for editors working in other countries with other requirements. The message here for Aopollo is clear, however--do not remove the Russian variants to Ukrainian city names from the templates because it is useful information for our English-speaking readers. --Taivo (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- In that case, a note should be added to the template's documentation which explains this. Otherwise editors are liable to assume, rather sensibly, that "official name" is only for official names. —Psychonaut (talk) 07:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- If the Russian variant is found with any frequency in English language publications, then the Russian variant should be in the template. The labels "official name" and "native name" are irrelevant in the template editing box since the words "official" and "native" don't appear in the final template display. Look at how it's done at Dnipropetrovsk, for example. Both names are displayed equally with the article name first. English readers don't care about the Ukrainian language politics or the "official" status of any name, they only care about whether they're looking at the right article or not when they've searched for a name that they've seen in an English language publication or web site. Note that on this website, Uzhhorod, the westernmost of Ukrainian cities, is "Uzhgorod". So finding that Russian variant in the template is important for our readers. We should not care about the politics involved, only about our readers. --Taivo (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)