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Nepalirider123

• Note from the blocking admin. The reason is that I believe it's obvious you are the same person as AdamSmith12, and have been abusively using multipe accounts. Are you saying you're not AdamSmith12? Or that you haven't used this account to edit while AdamSmith12 is blocked? How then is it that this account and AdamSmith12 have taken turns to make very similar edits? And how is it that this account moved first User:Rajusharmaofc (which is an earlier account of AdamSmith12) to User:Nepaliwriter123, and then moved User:Nepaliwriter123 to User:Adamsmith (which is also an account created by AdamSmith12)? Both these actions can be seen in this diff, and at a minimum, you need to explain them if you expect to be unblocked. Bishonen | talk 15:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC).

• My Reply to you admin Hello, I understand that sometimes mistake can happen from anyone. but, what wonders me is that i have not done anything wrong to get my account block!. I swear to god, that i have no clue at all as to why am i being block ? i thing there is some sort of mistaken might have happen from the person who block my account. I totally do understand the rules of wikipedia and i am acting accordingly and if you would like to have insight on it please go through my account history. all i know is that when i got on my user page there were too many notification and i went through all of them and i found something funny that someone was using my name on some others debate. that might have gotten me block.literally i have no clue about it.So since it is a mistake please review it. further, you can go through my ip address where you can find all my details as where i live and all. cause i can see the someone is mentioning my user name for claiming of link with some others username. ya honestly i have to admit that my fault is that long time ago not even today or the time i get block. it was very long time ago about one month ago some another users page i have directed to another name and i had did it because he was told me to that. because he didn't know how to change the username and all that. so thought of helping him and now he turns out to be one of the worst wiki editor and he did something unethical work by editing random pages and debating with some others user and most of his work seems that he is being jerk with everybody. so since he is not being good with everyone that affect me as well. cause i had redirected his page and that shows on wiki contributions as well. after doing deep research on why am i being block? i found something very funny user discusses. where some other user were mentioning my user name on that discuss. so i curiously read all of them. all in all what i am trying to tell you is that i am not that person what you might have guessing if you go through my ip adress you can see where i am using my wikipedia user page from?. I am a nepali, but i have been living and working in Qatar since past two years and compare my ip adress with that user and you will be clear about it. That user who got me in this trouble is using this userpage: AdamSmith12, and i need justice in this time. If you need my ip adress as well then please go through this IP: 37.211.253.150 and i hope i will get back my user account soon and thanks for your help.Nepalirider123 (talk) 6:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC).

• if you want more insight please read this also : This is error as i have already mentioned above. i would like to make clear that i stumble upon a another nepali based user page about a month ago. from the wiki chat room and as soon as he disclosed where he is from! i was very curios to check him out on other social media and eventually we become a friend. and one day he told me he want to change his page name and i told him do it your self and he said he don't know so i thought of helping him out. so i did it for him but i was not aware of that small task could lead me into getting my user page blocked.not knowing how to change user page name that means he obviously was new to wiki and started doing something reckless kind of editing and arguing with other users for puting some maintenance tag on his articles and people started talking about him and he ended of getting his account block after few hour later somebody put my name there too so that leads to my account block as well. This is so sad! :( People are thinking User: Adamsmith12 and Me Nepalirider123 are same person. :( :( but in reality not. Please check my ip and his ip you will be more clear about it. Thanks for your reply Nepalirider123 (talk) 6:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC).

This blocked user is asking that their block be reviewed on the Unblock Ticket Request System:

Nepalirider123 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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UTRS appeal #16239 was submitted on Jul 29, 2016 17:06:57. This review is now closed.

--UTRSBot (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

To the reviewing admin, note the massive and unexplained overlap in edits: [1]. --Yamla (talk) 17:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Please note, there was a SPI regarding this user and AdamSmith12 and it was confirmed by the checkuser that they are unrelated to eachother. Ayub407^talk 17:31, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

i am also a nepali , so it means there certainly will be similar edit with other many nepali editor. i do not know much about other country's stuff so i focus my self on to nepali based article. so what is wrong being similarity ? as there will certainly be . if you choose to check other nepali base user you probably will find same similarity in some point. Nepalirider123 (talk) 6:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

There's also this and the first edit at this page, moving AdamSmith12's original user talk page to User talk:Nepaliwriter123. Granted, that's a slightly different username than "Nepalirider123" but it's very clear these two know each other, despite claims to the contrary, even if they aren't necessarily the same person. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear Yamla when i had edited this article Girish_Khatiwada_(NepHop) he had send me that banster and i din't ask for that and you are blaming me for that ?? I removed it later. cause i am not eligible yet for that respective post as i have to contribute more to wikipedia and to be honest with you later i found out that article was created by him and i am repeating you i didn't ask for that. he put me into this trouble it is beyond my hand why can't you think that way ?? I have clearly stated above related to your another questions. so kindly read that once again. Nepalirider123 (talk) 8:57, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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• Comment from non-admin: For what it's worth, having examined this editor's editing history, and compared the two users' respective edits and the nature of their interaction from the beginning through the present, I believe this editor is possibly not the same user as AdamSmith12 (talk · contribs), and that this editor merely made the massively stupid error of changing that other editor's user name a few times. Why s/he got entangled in that is somewhat baffling (and, as I say, stupid, as s/he apparently now realizes), but I believe this editor may be telling the truth. I believe this editor should perhaps be unblocked because I believe his/her English and editing skills, and knowledge of Nepalese subject matter, could be an asset to the encyclopedia. I also accept the fact that there are indeed few Nepalese articles on Wikipedia, hence possibly the overlap. If only one of the two users should be indefinitely blocked, I believe it should be AdamSmith12, because he is being truly disruptive, whereas this user does not seem to have been. I'm saying all this as the person who brought this entire situation to the blocking admin's attention; having however now examined the case more thoroughly I believe that this user has possibly merely been the fairly unwitting victim of AdamSmith12's poor and destructive behavior (including, just as two small examples: this nonsensical "curation" of Nepalirider123's userpage [2], and this copypaste of the exact same WP:RFP/PCR request within 5 hours [3]). It's fairly clear to me that AdamSmith12 has some serious DE, NOTHERE, and CIR issues, whereas I'm not sure I see that in Nepalirider123. Softlavender (talk) 05:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC); edited 07:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Edited to add: I could be wrong about the intentions of this editor though. They plagiarized their entire userpage from User:GregorB, including his barnstars: [4]. When the faux barnstars were deleted (twice) by other editors the following week, Nepalirider123 logged out and reverted them: [5]. (Nepalirider123 then removed the faux barnstars the following day [6], but the rest of GregorB's stolen userpage stayed, although Nepalirider123 collapsed it a few days ago [7].) Clearly there's some strange behavior with this editor that I didn't recognize when I wrote the post above. Perhaps both editors deserve indef blocks for their nonsensical behavior. Softlavender (talk) 07:13, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Very strange indeed. However, I'm fairly sure that this is not the same user as AdamSmith who apparently is a 6th or 7th Grader in Nepal where the school's computer is probably being used either by a whole bunch of kids, or one person using several accounts. Smith has a very poor command of English whereas NepaliRider is able to makes himself reasonably understood and is of an age where he goes to work. This doesn't move me any closer to recommending he be unblocked, but perhaps a CU could unravel exactly what is going on, because it would reveal all the other accounts involved that we may not yet be aware of. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:46, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

AdamSmith12's behavior has been very consistent over time, so I'm sure that account is not being used by more than one person. His age (command of English does not necessarily reflect age, and many people edit Wikipedia while at work) is in my mind far less germane than his DE, NOTHERE, and CIR behavior. A CU has already been run twice on these two accounts, and they are unrelated: [8], [9]. -- Softlavender (talk) 08:20, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

@Kudpung and Softlavender: Well, I've unblocked. As you say, there are differences, and there's also WP:Systemic bias to consider. I'm no longer sure about the sock issue. I don't think "Adam Smith" is a schoolchild, though. The first Adam Smith account, User:Adamsmith, now a redirect, started editing in 2005. Bishonen | talk 09:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC).

You may be right Bishonen. But thanks for the unblock - we need to keep watching though. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

OK, the information about the original User:Adamsmith's contributions [10] is even more disturbing. The user of that original account was a very sophisticated English speaker; see this for example: [11]. He edited very sporadically for nine years. Then the account was hijacked by the Nepali user Rajusharmaofc, who, like Nepalirider123, apparently plagiarized someone else's userpage en masse (while adding a Nepali userbox as well) on 2 July 2016: [12]. Then on 11 July 2016 he replaced that with a copy of Nepalirider123's userpage (can't make this shit up): [13], then reverted while adding administrator rights [14]. Then Nepalirider123 renamed that account Nepaliwriter123 three days later [15]. And so on and so on: More bullshit iterations of the page: [16], [17]. Clearly so-called "AdamSmith12" is up to no good, and in my mind needs an immediate indef block for DE and NOTHERE. Bishonen, Kudpung, Bbb23? -- Softlavender (talk) 10:16, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Well yes. But he hasn't started editing after his 24-hour block yet, so it's an uncomfortable moment in which to block him. I or somebody will no doubt do it if/when the nonsense starts up again. Bishonen | talk 10:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC).

@Bishonen: I don't think it expires for another four minutes ;) _Muffled ^Pocketed 10:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Bishonen, Bbb23, Softlavender. I absolutely agree with this and I think this is a good case for Bbb to use his CU tool without any further ado, because tere are some socks lurking behind that Nepalese IP. I've already been teetering on extending Smith's block for a while. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

You might not have seen, due to all my corrections to my posts, but Bbb23 has already run CU on both accounts twice, including yesterday: [18], [19]. Maybe there are more tricks he can check (Rajusharmaofc sleepers? 178.152.246.48 accounts?) that he didn't already, but I just thought I'd reiterate that. Softlavender (talk) 10:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

As the person who initially declined this editor's unblock request, I'm very happy to see other admins have spent a considerable amount of time looking into the matter further, and coming to the conclusion this is a productive editor who should be unblocked. Nepalirider123, I look forward to many constructive edits from you and I hope you don't hold my unblock decline against me, because I'm certainly quite happy to see you have been unblocked after further investigation. Welcome back, and happy editing! --Yamla (talk) 12:10, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Note also, as you have been unblocked, you are welcome to clear out the entire content of this page if you wish. There's no reason to keep these messages around, unless you particularly want to do so. --Yamla (talk) 12:11, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise removing this content for the time being, because Nepalirider123 engaged in some serious plagiarism and misleading claims on their userpage, and also there is still the problem of the new discoveries about AdamSmith12, and Nepalirider123's aiding and abetting of him. Plus there are some request pings to at least one admin who has not had a chance to respond yet. If anything, after some of these issues are cleared up, the contents of this talk page could be archived, but I don't think they should simply be removed. Softlavender (talk) 12:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm happy to see that Nepalirider123 is finaly unblocked. Welcome back and and happy editing. Now, regarding with AdamSmith12, should we open a long-term abuse case regarding this user? Because, clearly this needs further investigation on how Rajusharmaofc hijacked that account. I'm quite surprised to see that a school kid is able to hack a account. Or should we do another SPI case with Rajusharmaofc/AdamSmith12? Ayub407^talk 13:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Ayub407 I even don't know the meaning of hijacked/hacked so please don't make me in trouble. Actually in starting my account is in business name after Administrator changes to Rajusharmaofc but i din't feel comfortable in this name and again i request Nepalirider123 to change Rajusharmaofc to AdamSmith12 So this is the fact as you can check my Account History. And regarding my qualification ya off course i am studying in Grade 8. I am new here & i am learning. Just my account is unblock due to some fault and i already Apologizes my mistake & again please don't make me in trouble. I am unknown about this. Regards, AdamSmith12 (talk) 20:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

• To the admins on this page: I think it's obvious AdamSmith12 is by far a net negative to the encyclopedia and needs an indefinite block. The thing is, do we want to go to the trouble of an ANI report (which would, I feel certain, result in an indef when all the evidence is compiled and presented)? Or can we be spared that time and trouble? Softlavender (talk) 04:52, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I am not spreading negativity to the internet or to the encyclopedia mam, even if it was happened, i apologize to you and to all the admins & editor here, I will not repeat my mistake again. sorry! i am a nice person inside and outside. i don't like to hurt someone intentionally. I cant reply any more because my exam is comming soon so i have to study !! Thank you so much & have a wonderful day ! Cheers ! AdamSmith12 (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2016 (UTC)