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I understand length is an issue but compare it to Template:Infobox baseball biography or Template:Infobox NFL biography this template is overly short and does not capture the quick information that readers look for in an infobox: easy and quick facts and stats. Most readers come to Wikipedia for quick info and do not read the whole article.

Parameters to add

- Stats like Template:Infobox NFL biography and Template:Infobox baseball biography

- Team colors as seen in Template:Infobox baseball biography

- Seasons that players have been with teams next to the team name like Template:Infobox baseball biography and Template:Infobox NFL biography

- International Metals like Template:Infobox baseball biography

- Also It should be formatted so that you can have multiple major league hockey leagues and corresponding stats like Template:Infobox baseball biography and Template:Infobox NFL biography

- Change NHL Team and Former Teams to a combined teams parameter like in Template:Infobox baseball biography and Template:Infobox NFL biography along with the league years that they were on that team and for their current team: League Year–present Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 04:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed many times so oppose everything. In addition, I notified WP:NHL of this proposal. – sbaio 16:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As this has been discussed a lot in the past and these are not broken, I would say no. Deadman137 (talk) 22:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It kind of is broken though. It makes these articles much more difficult to find information on than other athlete articles. At the very least where teams are listed off they should be listed each with a year rang, as opposed to listing total career years with a list of all teams. This wouldn’t take up more space and would be more informative. Even if you think other sports infoboxes are too broad, I also think that adding major championships and awards would be really helpful. Without all that info the infobox fails to provide the kind of quick snapshot it’s supposed to and does for other sports. The hockey infoboxes fail to give any indication on the caliber of player unlike for every other sport. 50.221.227.89 (talk) 02:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose as per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. The purpose of an infobox is "to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article". Hockey articles already have stats and seasons in the body, these do not need to be in the infobox. Team colours are useless decoration. International medals are not needed, as the national team is already listed, and statistics in a chart. Less is more. Stop the senseless clutter. Flibirigit (talk) 22:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also think the NFL/baseball templates have too much information, but I much prefer their general appearance/layout (I’m not referring to adding team colors for active players, which I don’t care about one way or the other). I would welcome such cosmetic changes for the hockey template that incorporates the existing parameters, but otherwise oppose adding more things to it. --NHL04 (talk) 03:49, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all. Team colors not needed, wikipedia is not a coloring book. Player articles already have stats tables, is it that arduous to scroll down to see them? Not to mention the arbitrary cherry picking of which stats to include in an infobox - what does the goal total for a stay at home defenceman tell the casual reader? Infobox already has a field for a national team, and a separate medals table can be used. Years with teams are also already in the stats tables. Echoedmyron (talk) 13:58, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Oppose all. Most other sports infoboxes are a mess and these go against the purpose of an infobox. -DJSasso (talk) 12:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The way the info box is currently setup is so terrible for new fans. Please add the years and order of the teams someone has played for and add major awards/trophies. I don’t understand why hockey wants to look so terrible compared to every other major sports league. Is it just an old boys club kind of thing where people are resistant to change? As a new fan it is awful looking and unintuitive. 2600:1011:A18D:7B28:91E3:4799:30F3:7495 (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International gold medals are in the infobox already, can there be professional championships as well (i.e. stanley cups, calder cups, gagarin etc.) 208.95.102.100 (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. This falls into the same category as the previous infobox discussion, and it is unnecessary clutter to add, when it can be easily covered in the article itself. Also, most league titles aren't a defining achievement - knowing a player's team won the Calder for example, tells me absolutely nothing valuable about a player. I might not mind if Stanley Cups alone were added by consensus, but it would likley open the can of worms to the various other titles and isn't worth it. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I don’t think adding Stanley Cups would really open a can of worms though. Generally other sports info boxes won’t list Championships from leagues that are considered lower tier. The only case I can think of as an exception would be College Football and Basketball where it makes sense seeing as those levels are considered noteworthy in and of themselves to a roughly equal degree to the Big 4 leagues despite being recognized as lower quality of play than the NFL and NBA. 50.221.227.89 (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, because of what Echoedmyron wrote and this has been discussed many times in the past. – sbaio 13:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change all instances of "Entry Draft" and "Amateur Draft" and plain "Draft" to lowercase, per recent RM discussions and normal capitalization rules. Dicklyon (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Primefac (talk) 11:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the prospect_team and prospect_league parameters should be changed to assigned_team and assigned_league since that is basically how they've been used for many years. Likewise, the prospect (P) should be removed. It is subjective when a prospect ceases to be a prospect, but 32-year-old Dylan McIlrath is certainly not a Capitals prospect at this point. NHL04 (talk) 11:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]