Talk:Wreckorder

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 June 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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The page shouldn't be deleted. The album does have a sourced release date (2010), will almost certainly be titled Wreckorder (see references and Healy's web page), and if it were deleted, it would just go up again in a few more weeks/months. Finally, Healy is certainly note worthy enough to warrant a page about the album even though it hasn't been released yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Froggo64 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By "release date", I really meant date, not year ;-) The second ref states Fran Healy is due to release 'Wreckorder' later this year, so still no firm release date (and no mention of release date in the first ref).

Fran Healy is certainly notable: I am unconvinced that an unreleased album by him is, however: per notability policy: "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings) is in general not notable; however, it may be notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources."

I'll hold off for a day or so in case you or someone else can provide evidence of significant independent coverage in reliable sources, but right now I'm strongly considering requesting deletion.

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 13:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TFOWR. In relation to significant coverage in independent sources, google Fran Healy and wreckorder. Additionally, it has Paul McCartney in it, another thing making it notable. Finally, and again, if it is deleted, it will just appear in a few weeks/months. It doesn't make sense to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.88.55.41 (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I certainly found coverage - I'm just not convinced it's significant. There's usually coverage prior to an album, even a first album by an established artist, being released; significance comes into the equation comparatively rarely. Put another way: are sources describing this release as "significant"? If so, why? TFOWR^propaganda 10:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that any unreleased album covered in an aricle in the Guardian or NME means that it is significant. Add in that it is Fran Healy's first solo album and Paul McCartney is invloved (the most signifiant living musician), and I think it certainly qualifies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.196.128 (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did the Guardian and NME coverage indicate why this album is notable? I'm unconcinced by pre-release coverage in the NME - it's their job to report on the music business. The Guardian, slightly more convinced, but still not seeing it as significant. Right now it's an established artist's first solo album (not really convinced that that's hugely significant) and it features an artist you regard as "the most significant living musician" - not much to go on so far. TFOWR^propaganda 10:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Did the Guardian and NME coverage indicate why this album is notable?" Yes...Fran Healy's first solo release, and featuring Paul McCartney. And it's not just my opinion that McCartney is the most significicant living musician. Actually, according the Guinness book of world records, he's the most successful songwriter in the history of popular music. www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2008/09/080916.aspx. His agreeing to play on someone else's record is very notable/significant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.199.168 (talk) 13:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So nothing more than it's his first solo album, and it features McCartney? TFOWR^{idle vapourings of a mind diseased} 13:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I refer you back to my previous comment! Articles such as in the Guardian, NME etc too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.199.168 (talk) 03:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]