Talk:We Don't Wanna Put In

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Call me clueless, but how exactly does this song's lyrics put Putin in a negative light?--Waxsin (talk) 05:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They don't, directly. However, just like a rabid fundy, a rabid patriot has an insecure mind that is particularly afraid of implied slights. Since the title of this song has some resemblance to 'We don't want Putin', some of the rabid patriots found in Russia[1] think that it's an anti-Putin song, and that's all they have to know -- just like the fact that Obama attended a school overseas when he was a kid is all that some rabid patriots found in Northern America have to know in order to be able to build up an elaborate conspiracy theory about him being a foreign imposter of Teh Wrong Faith(tm). Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 08:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Whoever thinks I just said that Russians are rabid patriots is sorely mistaken, and a good example of how the insecure fundy mind seeks out implied slights where there are none.

Wikipedia is not a forum guys. --Russavia ^Dialogue 01:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People keep re-inserting links to a video and lyrics of this song. This is a WP:LINKVIO. The copyrights to the video and lyrics do not belong to either the Youtube uploader, nor to the blog owner. Insertion of these links is prohibited by that policy. Please do not reinsert them, or I will have to alert an admin to it, and I have better things to do than that. --Russavia ^Dialogue 01:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you representing the Georgian proprietor? Or are you just presuming that the external link should go because you don't support the inclusion of the link for other reasons? Please, present some substantial proof that this is actually copy-vio. --Hapsala (talk) 13:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it would be up to you to prove that the links do not violaty WP:LINKVIO - not the other way around.

From [1]:

"Where can I find LEGAL DOWNLOADS of Eurovision Song Contest songs?

Shortly after the draw for the running order, the songs of the 2009 Eurovision Song Contest will be made available online for legal purchasing. The songs and videos of the participants will be made available in high-quality MP3 (audio) and MP4 (video) format. The download shop is managed by CMC Entertainment, exclusive music distribution partner of the Eurovision Song Contest."

The Youtube video you are linking to is not such a legal download as far as I can tell. (This should be obvious anyway.) The same goes for the lyrics. Offliner (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright belongs to the Georgian pop group, and not by CMC Entertainment and others. As you (and Russavia and others) seem so concerned about the issue, why don't you just present some proof yourself? And what is "obvious" for you does not necessary suffice as evidence that a clear copy-vio has been committed. --Hapsala (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well, since the video is Georgian I guess my "proof" above doesn't apply. Still, I think you are clearly in violation of WP:LINKVIO, but I'm not going to waste any more time on this. I'll just leave it to the admins to decide. Offliner (talk) 14:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My dear friend, You and Russavia are assuming that Google owned YouTube has committed a violation the Georgian pop group's right to its own work; but how can you be so sure? The YouTube uploader seems to specialise on this type of video, and Youtube has been used by many copyright owners to promote their material. --Hapsala (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube is primarily used by copyright violators, however, and there are other reasons YouTube videos are not normally linked to above and beyond copyright concerns. See WP:EL (and the talk page there, which has discussed these situations over and over) for that. Lyrics sites (unless clearly operated by the band or record label) are obvious copyright violations, and also have always been prohibited by our rules. DreamGuy (talk) 16:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how the Esctoday.com link would be any better than the direct Youtube link. Esctoday has the same Youtube video embedded on its page. Offliner (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not any better. In fact it's definitely worseDreamGuy (talk) 18:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide evidence that the second link is indeed "an official site" as you claim, and that it has the permission to distribute the material internationally. Offliner (talk) 17:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For those still trying to add the video links, see WP:EL rules on rich media. Copyright concerns are not the only reasons we would not link to video sites, so even if those were authorized (clearly at least one if not both of those links are not) they still wouldn't be appropriate. We are WP:NOT a web directory. Links to music videos serve no encyclopedic purpose. DreamGuy (talk) 18:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The person who put the link back with a very rude edit comment about the rules being simple apparently missed what those rules actually say. WP:ELNO #8 and the rich media section should make it clear that videos of music performances have no reason to be linked to on any article. Not this one, and not any other. Again, if you have a problem understanding these simple rules, ask at the external links talk page.DreamGuy (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1. 8 says, and I quote: "... unless the article is about such rich media ...". What do you think this article is about but the video?

Seriously, the idea that a picture of pipe is an unnecessary luxury in the article about pipes -- that idea is kind of stone-aged. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 19:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As eurovision-vision.ge is an official site, and content on it would have to be used with permission of the artists, or even as part of an entry, etc, I have no problem with that link on the article, and I will not be removing it. The lack of good faith on the part of Digwuren and Happsala, is astounding, as is refusal to apply policy because of the person who brought this up. Don't let it happen again guys, we don't need the bullshit. --Russavia ^Dialogue 00:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now that we have a quote of lyrics in the article, there's no encyclopedic need for the external link to the video. Wikipedia is not a collection of links to music videos. Offliner (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]