Talk:U.S. Route 119 in Pennsylvania

	U.S. Route 119 in Pennsylvania was a Engineering and technology good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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• Well written: I have found several problems with this article's prose:
  • There is no real introduction to article, it sort of dumps you into the text mid-stream. No indication in the lead is made that this article focuses only on the section of US-119 in Pennsylvania, doubly confusing because one of the Pennsylvania towns mentioned is Indiana (does it bypass the state of Indiana?)
  • The listing of concurrencies in the lead is probably unnecessary since that information is detailed in the junction list.
  • The headings are miscapitalized; per WP:MOSHEAD they are supposed to be in "sentence case". Further, instead of "Route History", the preferred standard in USRD (see WP:USRD/STDS) is simply "History".
  • Two letter postal codes (like "WV") should not be used in formal writing such as in an encyclopedia; if you must abbreviate use the traditional abbreviations ("W. Va.") or better yet, spell it out. Same goes for road designators, we have the space to spell out "Road".
  • till their termini is probably too informal; consider until their termini.
  • Distances should provide kilometer equivalents for our international readers. This is easily done using the {{convert}} template.
  • After intersection PA 201/PA 711 (W. Crawford Ave.)—do you mean intersecting?
  • Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway should probably be Buffalo–Pittsburgh Highway (en dash instead of hyphen)—see WP:MOSDASH for details.
  • Indiana again... you may wish to call it the town of Indiana (or city or however Pennsylvania calls their small municipalities) to avoid confusion with the state of Indiana.
  • There is a misspelling of Punxsutawney in there.
  • ending a US 219—typo there
  • Sentence structure in the history section needs to be more varied. Most of the sentences start In <year>, this happened. Switch things up a little; make it more interesting to the reader.
  • A good copyedit of this article would be beneficial before a renomination. There are probably plenty of missing commas and such that I have not commented on.
• Factually accurate and verifiable: Distances in the route description are not sourced. Where do these numbers come from? The PennDOT map? If so, you should say so. The history is entirely sourced to Jeff Kitsko, and while I personally don't mind using roadgeek sources, they should at least be supplemented by DOT and newspaper sources. More alarming is that this article functionally has two sources—Google Maps and Kitsko. A more diverse array of sources should be included. Try using PennDOT maps.
• Broad in its coverage: The lead, which should summarize all parts of the article, does not cover the history section; it focuses solely on route description.
• NPOV: Article meets criteria
• Stable: Article meets criteria
• Images: Article meets criteria, but consider using a map which details US-119's route in Pennsylvania. A detailed zoom-in to Pennsylvania can allow you to label towns and counties, which helps illustrate the route description better.

Unfortunately, I do not fell this article meets the GA criteria at this time. Please keep these concerns in mind as you improve this article. Good luck! —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 19:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some fixes were made on Sept. 10 (for example, correcting of "a US 219"). I also noticed that PA 43 continues N-bound where PA 857 ends, so I fixed that.

Years ago, when approaching old exit 8 on Pa. Tpk. (New Stanton, where I-70 westbound leaves Pa. Tpk.), I remember signs referring to Wheeling, Indiana, and Washington. The last 2 had the state abbreviation (Pa.) added to avoid confusion with the state of Indiana and Washington DC, and Wheeling had W.Va. added, at least in part because it is not in Pennsylvania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not at all sure that the northern terminus was ever north of DuBois, let alone Kane! Every older map I have ever seen shows the northern terminus at the intersection of North Main Street and DuBois Street/Quarry Avenue, and maps from the mid-'40s on show it at it's present position in West Sandy Township. I believe this section of roadway was built in the late 1940s, ans was called "Blinker Parkway" being named after the "blinker" traffic light at the intersection with US 322. Prior to this, the roadway extended north at the blinker to the current "Main Street Extension" and then along the current Main Street to the aforementioned intersection with DuBois Street. I'll dig up the maps to verify, and then make whatever corrections and citations need to be made. --- Joe Shupienis, W3BC 06:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe Shupienis (talk • contribs)

I have just driven southbound US 119 from PA 66 to south end of the PA 43 concurrency. OK, I notice the following in this Wikipedia article:

"In 1978 an expressway from PA 31 to the PA 66 interchange was completed, which finished the current 11-mile (18 km) expressway from Pennsville to the Pennsylvania Turnpike."

Prior to that, US 119 southbound continued straight ahead (from where the PA 66 interchange is now) onto an overlap with westbound I-70, at the point where westbound I-70 leaves the Pa. Tpk. Does someone know the alignment (southbound) beyond there of US 119, and if it is still driveable?

Also, notice that moving US 119 onto said completed-in-1978 expressway left a very small stretch of road which I will call "spur 119" (between PA 66 and the connection to mainline Pa. Tpk.), which is no longer part of US 119 and never was part of I-70.

I think I was the one who wrote the above. I have written this just now on talk page for I-70 in Pennsylvania: Just off I-70 at New Stanton: Notice "At this point, the mainline expressway continues east to a cloverleaf junction between US 119 and the southern terminus of PA 66." If you were following I-70 east, you would have reached the Turnpike (on old I-70S) then pass through 2 trumpet interchanges to get on the Turnpike eastbound.

If, instead of entering the Turnpike, you took "the mainline expressway ... east" a short distance to the above-mentioned cloverleaf, you'd be on a stretch which is no longer US 119 and was never part of I-70. I hear it causes confusion to describe this little stretch. Before that cloverleaf was built, US 119 southbound continued onto the free stretch of westbound I-70 until at least the next interchange. Carlm0404 (talk) 02:09, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources are Google Maps. Is that really considered an acceptable source? 69.89.247.18 (talk) 18:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Google Maps is a reliable source to cite where a highway goes and what the physical surroundings are like. Dough4872 00:27, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]