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Gametrailers said that they know the actual "Legend of Zelda". The legend is that back in Hyrule's early days (before the Minish Cap), the son of the king grew jealous of his sister Zelda, becouse she was allowed to hold the Triforce. So he hired an evil wizard to interogate her. But becouse Zelda refused to talk, the wizard put Zelda to sleep for many generations. Grief-stricken, the prince declared in her memory that all female descendants of the royal family will be named Zelda, explaining why every princess of Hyrule is called Zelda in every game. Many generations later, Link managed to break the spell the wizard put on Zelda (as seen in Zelda 2) and the original Zelda was reawakened. They told this on their Zelda retrospective when they put together the Zelda timeline. Apparantely, it came from the comic from Nintendo Power. [1] I really want to put this here. Willy105 13:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't make much sense from a chronological point of view, assuming that Ocarina of Time is indeed the first game in the series time-line wise. I don't think I need to point out that, from OoT's storyline, Zelda didn't have the triforce in any shape or form until after Link broke the seal. What's more, Zelda is never mentioned to have any form of siblings as far as I remember. Even if this was true, I believe it was retconned a long time ago. At the very least, it should be mentioned that that no longer holds true, at least not 100%.

Actually, The Minish Cap is the first game in the series. Basically because Link gets his hat there Bearflip 22:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

...wuh? I thought it was more because nobody has any idea what the Triforce is, as opposed to all other games, and that monsters are released upon the world. Also, the Four Sword is uncursed, noone's heard of Ganon, and Vaati is still a humanoid.

Why the hell would the hat be evidence? He didn't have his hat at the beginning of TWW, either.KrytenKoro 05:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Minish Cap is NOT the first game in the series, becuase the chu-chus have eyes in the game, but in Twilight Princess the chu-chus don't have any eyes, and that is why TP would have to take place before MC and it does. /ph

...please tell me that that's not honestly what you consider "proof". Please don't destroy my faith in humanity like that.

The Minish Cap is set 100 years after the introduction of the Picori Blade, a blade described to have many of the same properties (and the same appearance) as the Master Sword. It is also at a point where the Triforce is unheard of. (The Light Force is not the Triforce, as almost all of the properties are wrong - the Triforce is discrete, while the Light Force can be drained. Also, no crest on Zelda's hand to signify her possession of it). Twilight Princess is set after Ocarina of Time, where the Master Sword has already been enshrined in legend, and the Triforce is well-known (enough). Further, the Minish have apparently either left the world or withdrawn - they were already at the back of people's minds in TMC, and are completely unheard of in other games. As one of the "holy" races (like the Oocca), this is not just a race going into hiding - if they were still there at all, they would be a player in the events.

Also, Twilight Princess is set after Majora's Mask (according to either split or single timeline), and Chu-chus have eyes in Majora's Mask. Check and mate, sucker.KrytenKoro 09:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that MP is WW but in a different timeline becuase of the characters that look exactly the same in both games, for example Princess Zelda

...Now you're doing this on purpose. You do realize that artistic design doesn't really indicate chronology, right?KrytenKoro

Of course, but it does make sense that it could be the same character but in a different timeline.

I'm pretty sure that Finaly Fantasy Mystic Quest trivia is false. I can't find it mentioned in any of the big FAQs on GameFAQs. Anyone have any proof? Sraan 02:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

but you do see her in the majora's mask flashback...208.190.100.5 16:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)JasonX80

I'd have to take your word for it - I can't remember the scene very well. Anybody have a screenshot? Sraan 17:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

She does to teach you the song of time.

In a flashback in MM, Zelda teaches Link the Song of Time. Armyrifle 01:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I keep reverting edits from User:SNIyer12 about a red rose in Zelda's hand in Zelda II. Although Sleeping Beauty may have had a red rose, I can't find any reputable source that says that Zelda had one. Let's come to a consensus about this, and unless anyone has a source that says otherwise, or at least a good argument, I will keep reverting the edits as simple vandalism. It's odd, because SNIyer12 makes useful contributions on other pages. It looks like this has actually been going on for about a year, and multiple users have asked him to stop on his discussion page and even tried to make a RfC. It's an admittedly small edit, but very annoying! Sraan 14:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Zelda doesn't wear any underwear under her dress in Super Smash Bros Melee.

{faints} --Luigifan 00:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Most SSBM players (including myself) are aware of this "fact", but is it really necesary to mention that here? It sounds rather inappropriate and I suggest that someone removes the comment from the article. Vic729 21:42 UTC, November 9th, 2006

She's wearing leggings, similar to adult Link. Sheesh... -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 21:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the comment. Master Strike 20:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

She must really have some white legs if people think she's nude under her skirt. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 20:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah really! Master Strike 11:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I read on a forum that after completing Twilight Princess 3 times or something you could play as Princess Zelda, and even turn into Sheik? Is this true or just a kid bullshitting? If you do not know it's not necessary to respond and say that "it's probably a joke" or something... That leads us nowhere. GoogleMe 22:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• That totally crazy. No way. If that were true, everybody would know and I really dont think nintendo would do that.

Should there be a picture from the old Legend of Zelda TV Series? Sorani172 03:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Should it be stated that she is the ruler of Hyrule in Twilight Princess? After all she was the one to surrender to the Twilight.

No, in the Official Player's Guide for Twilight Princess, [2] sold by Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc., it states that "Princess Zelda is the Queen-in-waiting of Hyrule." Here is that page from the book...[3]. Princess Zelda is on the right side, third person down.

...That's not the official guide. That may have been authorized, but it contradicts the game and the official site in many places. Official would be nintendo, the creators, or the game.KrytenKoro 01:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

He/she just deleted some 3,000 characters of information with no explanation, and no reason to. The information there is valid. I'm going to undo his edit, just so everyone knows. Kuro Yoake^{Speak to me!!} 16:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Good work. In the future, if someone blanks an article or large parts of an article with no comment either in the summary or on Talk, feel free to revert the edit as blanking vandalism. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 02:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

In Ocarina, she is a sage, but it is not stated here what she is the sage of. What if it?--Count Mall 23:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Sage of Time, most likely. Each sage has his/her temple, giving the remaing temple (Temple of time) to the last sage (Zelda). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.52.188.239 (talk) 05:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

But wasn't that Rauru's temple? 72.134.69.228 20:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)Guest

Rauru is the Sage of Light and his temple is in the Sacred Realm. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.52.188.239 (talk) 17:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh...Wait. In thought the sacred relm was Hyrule...In that case maybe...he was inside the temple of time...hmm.. 72.134.69.228 15:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I remember, the game never gives her a specific Sage title (e.g. Sage of Fire, Sage of the Forest) beyond 'the Seventh Sage'. --Sparky Lurkdragon 05:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually she isn't a sage of anything. She's the leader of them. Remember? The six sages and then one to lead them in sealing Ganon (Or somthing like that)? Ring a bell? 72.134.69.228

I'm not sure how many people noticed but Sheik and Tetra have alot in comon. I.e. --Their hair and skin is different in the same way. As in when she's in her true form it's lighter than when she is Sheik or Tetra. --They (Sheik and Tetra) both have those pieces of cloth wraped around their hands/arms. --They're more tomboyish than zelda. --their clothes are similar colors --And they both transform into zelda...

I don't know if this is worth mentioning or not... but coment back if you want... 72.134.69.228 18:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)guest

The article currently implies that Zelda and Link have a relationship, but in many of the more recent games, Zelda is not portrayed as the archetypal "platonic ideal" of Link, but rather as the "sacred ruler." In the earlier games, the story lines were more one-dimensional and basically princess-falls-for-the-hero stories, but in later games, in which the writers have tried to make the story more epic, the character of Zelda has evolved into less of the cliché swooning princess and into a reserved spiritual leader of her people. She has become in many of the newer games more of this epic sacred archetype and less depicted as just a regular person with average emotional concerns. Link has, in these subsequent games, had several female characters in which he could have a possible love interest, the "harem effect" which is common in a lot of Japanese popular culture. I think it is becoming less likely that in a game Zelda will definitively end up in a romantic relationship with Link; in fact, if Twilight Princess is any indication, they aren't going to end up together. The bias towards a Zelda-Link relationship in this article needs to be seriously addressed. There is not a very fair representation of a non-romantic relationship between the two.

It should be noted that TP link is a different Link than that of the other games, not to mention that the TP Link seems to have the strongest feelings for Midna, a girl who he will likely never see again as a result of the ending of the game

It's a different Link and Zelda in alot of the games. In the first 2 games, even, there's 1 zelda in the first, and a second one in the second, while still having the same Link.DurinsBane87 00:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the article needs revision. That interview that's currently up is speculation at best but people kept re-adding it whenever I delete it and claim that it's "an important piece of information," which it isn't. People really need to stop being so serious about pairings. Red Viking 17:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that Link is in love with Illia and not with Midna /ph

Error. While Link may have a solid relationship with either Midna or Illia, Midna goes away forever when she breaks the Mirror of Twilight; at the end of the game, Link goes away from Ordon Village, and so leaving Illia as well. Look, to make the explanation easier: Link will never have a partner, at least he won't have one in Twilight Princess. Sometimes I think that Colin is the most probable partner for him. Nasty, but possible. 200.71.188.209 03:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused as to why you are trying to figure this one out. The game isn't a dating sim so why does it matter who Link ends up with? Link dosen't need a romantic interest because in *most* games he's depicted as very young (under 13-14). Really as long as I'm slashing up Ganon in the next game I'm contentKou Nurasaka 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It's because some people are so serious about the pairings they support that life will somehow lose all meaning if the two fictional characters they're rooting for don't get married and have babies. Seriously. I wish I were making this up. Red Viking 2:57, 2 December 2007

I was always led to believe that Link and Zelda were siblings (at least in OoT)

In OoT it says that links mother died when she was caught in a battle. She left Link with the Deku Tree and died. I've not heard any mention of Link's father but we've never heard anything about a Queen of Hyrule either.

When Link meets Zelda for the first time it sounds somehow familiar.

In Zelda: A Link to the Past when you arrive at the castle and find your uncle he says, "Link take my sword and shield, you must save the Princess she is your ..."

It is unlikely that we can fill that "..." with anything else besides sister.

The instruction booklet in the original NES Zelda it reads, "You must save your sister from Ganon."

Obviously the storyline changes with every game. And so character relationships would also change but a large majority of people believe Link and Zelda to be related by blood. Litlest amazon (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The section of this article is just not very good right now: it's main point is that the ancient Zelda that is not the Zelda from the first NES game kisses the Link of the first two NES games there are two Zeldas and one Link at that point. It also totally ignores the fact that there Link is "dating" other characters through out the series, (including Marin/Malon, Saria, Ruto, Rosa, etc), this sounds too much like the design document for that Drawn Together parody character that is closer to being Mario than Link. And I wouldn't count stuff like cartoon and comic book adaptions or non-Nintendo stuff like Robot Chicken as an accurate charactersation of all the Links/Zeldas in all the games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.245.42.232 (talk) 22:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone suggested that someone make a page capping together all Zelda romance I mean including all female options (ex. from OOT Zelda, Saria, Malon and from TP Zelda, Ilia, and possibly Midna) even suggestiongs that dont really work like midna

I would personally enjoy that unless for some reason it is redundant. If it is would someone please post a link to the page?

Otherwise, i would like to create a page unfortunately, I have not played many of the games, I'd need a lot of help. I have, however, quite thougroughly concidered all the games i have played. 64.74.212.1 17:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Hood

Such an article would be almost entirely made up of fan speculation/original research, which is something Wikipedia isn't really about. My suggestion would be to find a Zelda-specific wiki or forum and suggest it to them. --Sparky Lurkdragon 06:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense.... Thanks for replying. I might do that.

Ocarina of Time

>the article mentions twice that she is the seventh sage. When I was reading it I already knew she was going to be at the begining, so it didn't surprise me when I was near done with reading it that she would eventually become the seventh sage...so maybe someone could get rid of one of them?

>she doesn't predict anything. Her "predictions" were dreams.

>Link doesn't encounter Zelda after the seven years...it's Sheik...

>Also, Zelda was going to give link another gift after the light arrows but was interupted by ganondorf who then captured her.

72.134.69.228 18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Twilight Princess

She was first thought to be the Twilight Princess 16:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that Zelda's ear rings change throughout the game. Initially they are a normalish ring colour, later in the game they appear to be red. Does anyone know the reason for this and could it be included in the article? Chrig 10:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

When she was possesed by gannon, her eyes where similar in color to midna's. 22:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The correct Japanese would be ゼルダ姫, as can be seen in the Japanese article. Roanhammer 21:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this has been added on Sheik's article:

"However, the Japanese text of the same Trophy clearly labels Sheik as male."

Is there any source to prove that? If that is true, could it mean that Sheik could technically be the next Birdo (see American description), with all and censorship and transgender issues? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.54.248.120 (talk) 22:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Her Japanese trophy's label her as Male? I never heard of that before. I'm pretty sure it also refers to her as female though.

----m190049 (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, have you ever played the Japanese version? If not, "pretty sure" doesn't help us at all. The Japanese dojo site appears to use no pronouns at all, so no help there.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

There is currently no lead picture for this article. Was there a decision that I missed out on, or did one person decide that the lead picture that was up there sucked? Bucky 04:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually there was an image of Zelda from the Twilight Princess but it was removed because it was unsourced ^^' Sinsia 20:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not up on the Wikipedia policies on pictures. What does it mean for a picture to be unsourced, why is that bad for a picture, and how would you go about sourcing it? Bucky 00:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing pictures involve using the correct Wikipedia tags (you can see that in "Upload File") and the "Fair Use" portion of the image, a good example would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zld_pic_18.jpg Of course the image was restored either way by another user. Sinsia 00:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

"although it is not uncommon for Japanese female voice actors to voice male characters".

There's no way to deny that, but if this were true on Sheik, those screams would have been deep voiced as well, but there's no way she could imitate them on a state like this.

"It has also been argued that Sheik’s apparent build may simply be concealed armor Zelda wears over her torso, however, this would detract from Sheik's apparent flexibility, suggesting the form is genuine".

In what way would it detract? It depends on the material it was made from. Maybe elastic?

It could also be plated armor, segmented to allow unrestricted movement

Either way, Sheik has become the main target for sexual issues (Birdo's is now dead), and this coming from an E-rated game (it wouldn't be E-rated if the sex change was true). I mean, can Nintendo really be that low with Zelda? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.54.248.120 (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

I have a feeling she used magic and claimed to be a man (or was assumed) to avoid attention from Ganondorf...But that's just me...get it? I mean if Zelda were to dissapear and Sheik were to appear, don't you think he would get suspisious? Unless she disguised herself as a guy...once again, that's just me... 22:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm betting on a Sailor Moon-like edit. In Japan it was a genetic magical sex change, but in USA it's just a disquise. just like how in the USA SSB:M it says Shiek is male but the Japan version says female. I'm betting it's just censorship because USA is paranoid of anything sexual. Mass genocide...sure our kids can see that but suggesting sex...blasphomy (sarcasm). Anyway...with a femenine sheikahn walking around and knows the triforce legends exactly after Zelda dissapears...you'd think Ganon would check to make sure it's really a male and not Zelda in disquise. he isn't that dumb. (VRaptorX April...2nd I think)

Actually I beleive even in the American version of SSBM, Sheik is listed as female in the trophy section, there is nothing to indicate that Sheik is a male version of Zelda, in fact in anime there are quite a few characters that pretend to be of a different gender merely by crossdressing.

I'm pretty sure the manga elaborates that it's not just a disguise. I don't have access to scans right now, but the prominent community sites do.KrytenKoro 05:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

In SSBB you can see she is definetly female, just looked at the pics on Smash Dojo and her breasts are much more pronounced.

...they look like normal pecs to me, except for in one pic where Sheik is twisting really oddly. In any case, SSBM is extremely non-canon - even more so than the manga, if relative canonness exists.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Pecs aren't rounded like that, but female breasts are, nor are the pretty much the same size as TP Zelda's Breasts, it may be non-canonical, but it should be mentioned in the Sheik section, also if its done by Nintendo then Miyamoto has seen it meaning its more canon than a manga. Also if a line like it is presumed she changes her build is included, even thought no one knows if she does, or if she just wears plated armor, then why is the idea of her Brawl version looking more feminine removed?

Copied from reply to previous user on their talk page:

Yeah-no. In only two pics is Sheik not twisting ridiculously or covering her chest, and in those two pics, it looks relatively flat, and at most like pecs - like Sheik had in OoT.

Case in point: [4] and [5]. Very, VERY flat, and pretty much the same as 100px.

I believe you're taking the "well defined" from this pic. I didn't design the pic so I don't claim to know that well, but Sheik is obviously twisting and crouching. You'll also notice that the chest only seems emphasized in that picture, which points to it merely being an odd position/camera angle.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No, in the pic where she is leaping over Diddy that is not flat those are ciruclar, I think you need to go study your geometry if you think those are flat, only in the pic with Link do they look flatter because of the way she is twisting, much more than in the pic where she is crouched

First off, since you can only see them from the front, I'm not seeing how you're seeing circles. Second, you can see a corner right below the elbows, and the "bump" (this is a really stupid debate, damnit) is no more raised than in the other pic and the art. Third - no Fucking OR. If it's not immediately obvious to everyone involved (and it's not, because those don't f'ing look like feminine), than it needs a source to be mentioned in the article.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

How can you not see that they are circular, my god man, you can even see the circular outline of them. And they are exaclty the same size as Zelda's breasts, how can you miss that. Also the fact that she's referred to as a girl over and over by Nintendo (you know the guys who created her), I think that is a good enough source. But i'm done with this you're going to keep on saying that they aren't breasts even though its so obvious to anyone.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.166.183 (talk • contribs)

....okay, if I must, I'll outline what I'm seeing. They are square in the Diddy pic. Same size?! They only look anything more than flat in the bent over explosion pic (which to me, seems to imply that its an unnatural angle), and are still not the same size as Zelda's. Sheik has NEVER been called a girl except by her SSBM trophy. EVERY OTHER TIME, Sheik was called "him" or "he". Find me a developer interview calling Sheik "she" or "her", or a spot in the series saying it, and the issue is put to rest. As it is, Sheik is presumed to at least look like a man (whether Zelda became one or merely used a normal disguise), and the SSBB pics don't seem to argue with that very much - while they may call Sheik a woman, "she" still has the same masculine build as in previous appearances.

As for the idea that SSB being developed by Nintendo makes it more canon - no, because it is developed by a completely different person. All Shigeru's group does for Iwata in regards to Link is give him permission to use him, and possibly send sample designs - Iwata's group is completely responsible for the final design, setup, and story for each PC.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Totally incorrect, first off the idea that she is referred to as a he, maybe you forgot that OoT was directed by Miyamoto and in it Zelda says that it was a disguise, indicating that it was clothing, not a gender change, changing gender is not a disguise, it would be an altered form, you can't deny what Miyamoto puts into his own story, the only other times they refer to Sheik as a he is to prevent spoilers on the game. Also Sheik only appears to have a masculine build, prove that its not just plated armor or padding, no evidence to prove that its her actual build, in addition those breasts are not square in the pic with Diddy but round. Finally just because Sakurai is in charge of the game doesn't mean Miyamoto isn't a part of it, what we know in nintendo is if he is not happy with something he will tell them to redo it, flipping the table over as people in Nintendo refer to it.

Disguise can mean anything from magical (have you ever heard of magical girls or comic book superheroes?) to mundane. You're the one denying what Miyamoto put into his story (having a sage call Sheik male, for one, and that Sheik has an apparently masculine build {which is what I said}), and relying on telling me to prove that the situation is not some arbitrary one you made up.

This is a really stupid situation but here's the picture - I outlined according to the shadowing/apparent slope, and it is clearly rectangular:

• Comparison pic

Finally - no. SSB is not part of the storyline, and Nintendo isn't some daycare where Miyamoto watches everything at all times. He hardly seems to have a complete grasp on how the games fit timeline wise, why would he control every single detail of his multitude of characters when he has a job to be doing? Iwata didn't get in control of SSB because he couldn't be trusted with responsibility, and while Miyamoto may check in time to time, he's not directing the project.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Comic book Superheroes and magical girls don't change their gender in their disguises, all they do is change their clothes, hence why a disguise does not dentoe gender change. No more arbitrary that the comment that her apparing to have a masculine build is proof of anything, it only appears to be a masculine build you have no knowledge of what is the reason except your speculation, which is why just saying she appears to have a masculine build without stating that the cause of it is unknown is a factual error on your part. Also I can outline anything with rectangles as well, however the shadowing clearly indicates that they are circular not rectangular. Finally while Miyamoto may not watch over everything like a hawk, don't think for a second he wont look over it to make sure it meets with his standards, his major role there days is to oversee production of games, so if its in the game its more canonical than some manga, it may not be proof in itself, but the manga is even less associated with him.

Have you ever heard of Sailor Moon? And yes, gender-transformed superheroes have occurred before.

Sheik appearing to have a masculine build is arbitrary? That's how he's presented, and what is said in game. There's nothing arbitrary about it. I see no reason I would have to argue to preserve what is presented in the game against your personal theories. I'm not saying he must be male, merely that the idea that "Sheik looks feminine" is pretty unfounded, even if it didn't already violate the guidelines against OR and SPEC.

I outlined along the shading and contour. They are not circular at all, and so far, you have done nothing to give any evidence for your view besides "I said so!". I'm willing to admit a mistake if you can show it, but to me, Sheik looks pretty much the same as in OoT and SSBM. Why would they even design him differently?

Oversee production of his games. He's not in charge of SSBB, and you have no evidence that he watches it like a hawk. Iwata's in charge of the game and what goes on, Miyamoto gives permission to use Link, Mario, etc. Again, Miyamoto can't even get time travel to work the same way throughout Ocarina, something that ends up defining the series - why would he be so obsessed with a minor detail on a cameo game? Super Smash Bros. is intended to be a "throw everyone in with little regard to story", for the sake of appeasing fans. The manga by Akira Himekawa, while using artistic liberty and thus not technically canon, was developed specifically around the story, and the manga were given consent by Nintendo. They are very close to canon, and basically exist outside of it due to having to make a true story out of a game story. Hell, SSBM Sheik does things that Sheik can't do in the actual game, just like SSBM Zelda. They have virtually no canonicity.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 22:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

These are her American tropheys from Melee, which clearly label her as female.

- Classic: This is Zelda's alter ego. Using a variation of the name of the ancient Sheikah tribe, she appears before Link and teaches him melodies instrumental to his success. It's believed that she's not just a quick-change artist, but rather that she is able to instantaneously alter her clothing and her eye and skin color by using her magical skills.

- Adventure: Strategically switching between Zelda and Sheik is key. Compared to her Zelda form, Sheik is nimble and has gorgeous moves, but she lacks a strong knockout attack. The number of needles thrown in Needle Storm is based on how long you hold the B Button before releasing it. Use the Control Stick to wave the Chain after brandishing it.

- All-Star: The best strategy to use when playing as Sheik is to let her flow from one powerful attack into another, like a river of quicksilver. Zelda has some techniques with more punch, however, so in one-on-one battles, use Transform as needed. Sheik only travels a short way when using Vanish, but the move comes with a small explosion that damages foes around her.

FEMALE

----m190049 (talk) 16:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

We all know what the trophy says, but SSB has very little influence on what is considered "canon" - especially since the plot indicates that the fighters are toys of the characters, not the actual characters themselves. OoT uses male pronouns, and I think also speech patterns, for the character Sheik, which is usually considered "absolute proof of gender" for japanese characters. Barring a definitive statement from the creators, we have to admit the uncertainty.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 17:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Come on, people! Don't you think it's really ridiculous that they would change Sheik's gender for one (or two) single game, as they would confuse people a lot more? It's like saying that Mario would be a girl in one game but a man in others. If they say that Sheik is a girl/boy/whatever, that would apply to the character IN GENERAL, not one incarnation. Similar case happened with Donkey Kong, who's game appearances apply to the character in general, not only the current incarnation. So, to conclude, if Nintendo says Sheik is only a non-transsexual crossdresser, that would be canon, because would come from Nintendo itself, not some licensed fan-media (see Ocarina Manga). End of story.

...except that the OoT Manga story was licensed by the people who made OoT, while for SSBM, Shigeru pretty much just gave them permission to use the character, and let them do their own thing. It's not considered canon at all. Hell, it's technically only using a toy of the character.

As it is, OoT calls Sheik a male several times, and the manga says Zelda physically became one. It's kind of silly to claim that the Triforce of Wisdom can change almost all of Zelda's physical characteristics (since it is blatantly shown to do so in OoT and TWW), but can't move around any of her reproductive organs. Let's just leave it neutral like it is, and wait for official, canon confirmation one way or the other.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

We really need to get a lead picture. The one we have is already been posted at the SSB area of the page. 15:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It used to have a better picture of her from Twilight Princess, but if you read the discussion a few bits up (Lead Picture), apparently it was taken down because it was unsourced. I don't know what that means, but if you could find another copy of it and source it, that would be awesome. Bucky 19:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well. Whatever. We need one that isn't gonna give spoilers...15:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers? The shot I'm talking about is the official artwork of her from Twilight Princess holding a sword. Are you saying that was a spoiler? Bucky 16:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, yeah. I guess so...If you haven't played the game the intire way through...21:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

(Spoiler Warning) You're thinking of the end, where Ganon is using her to fight you, right? That would be the most memorable instance of her holding a sword, since it was the only time she used it. But pretty close to the beginning of the story, they did that flashback to when Zant took the castle, remember? She was holding a sword at her side. She even had the same pose as in the artwork I'm talking about. She never used it, but she did have it, and it resulted in a much more dramatic surrender scene. Bucky 04:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I mean. You wouldn't know know that unless you played the game. And, I'm sure, there's someone out there who hasn't played. Suprising as it might be. 23:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I guess we're debating over whether that's a big deal, if it's that early on in the game. I don't think it's a big deal, but if we can't get consensus, we'll probably have to get a different picture. What else would work? Bucky 04:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe one from when she was a teen in Ocarina of Time....that might work... 23:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it probably would. I was thinking Twilight Princess, since that was her most recent appearance. Problem is, I don't remember ever seeing any official artwork of adult Zelda from Ocarina of Time. Have you? Plus, if we find such a shot, we'd still have to source it, however that's done. Unless you know how to source a picture, we'll need to get help from another editor with more experience than I have. Bucky 06:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Mkay, here's one: [6] try to source it.

That seems like a cool shot. If anyone knows how to source a picture, check this one out. I think it would work. I'd personally still prefer the Twilight Princess shot, but I think this will do. Bucky 21:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I do too. But, I just don't think it would be considerd spoil free. Sorry. Thecolourrose

If you're refering to the Twilight Princess shot, then my stance on that has been stated above. If you're saying that the Ocarina of Time shot here is a spoiler, yeah, but who doesn't know by now that the game has time warping in it? I'm pretty sure that at this point, it's about as well known as "No, Luke, I am your father!" By the way, my brother is as big a Star Wars geek as I am a Zelda geek. Bucky 21:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, a star wars fan. hi. anyway, you have a good point, sorry. Though the other day I did see someone looking for Twilight Princess at a store and they din't find it...well what ever...I supose as long as it's sourced it doesn't matter as much if it was a midnas true form pic or somthin'. Thecolourrose

That actually brings up a question. I noticed a few days ago that the Midna article has no lead picture. It used to, and I thought it was a pretty nice and accurate depiction of her. I also just noticed that the lead shot of Zelda that was here is also gone. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR LEAD PICTURES?! Sorry, but they're dropping like flies. Bucky 02:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh heh, I ate them. Seriosly. I don't know...Thecolourrose

Mkay. I think we should just use the one from the Oracle series or the one from wind waker. What do you think? It's the only pics we have that aren't really spoil free and they're already sourced. Besides that, that's usualy how she appears in all of them...*sighs* But, whatever...Thecolourrose

Let me preface this with I don't want this article to suffer the fate of the Ganon article. The inability of the editors to agree on what shot should be the lead picture led to the gods of Wikipedia declaring that Ganon shouldn't have a lead picture. That being said, I'd prefer to use the most recent canon depiction of Zelda, which means I want the Twilight Princess shot back, though you could talk me into that Ocarina of Time shot someone found, since it is similar in appearance to her most recent depiction. But if I'm alone in this, I'll bow to concensus. Bucky 07:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I have noo idea what you've decided on. But what ever picture you decide on, make sure you, or some one who can, source it. Either one, TP or OoT, is fine. Mkay? Thecolourrose

I just noticed that the article on the Races of the Legend of Zelda Series uses the shot of Zelda from Twilight Princess as the example of a Hylian. It still exists, so all we have to do is learn how to source it and we have our proper lead picture back! Where is the Wikipedia policy on pictures? Bucky 06:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I've put a request on the talk page asking for someone to do that. No response yet.Thecolourrose

This is absolutely rediculous. The 3D picture of Zelda that was up before is undoubtedly the most definitive (and unarguably the greatest) picture we have to date, and this picture we have from SSBM is frankly laughingly terrible when compared to the old one. Someone just please find a source for it so we can use it again- nothing compares to it. -Guest

We're trying. We don't know how. And if you want the picture so badly why don't you source it? Thecolourrose

Okay, I found the Wikipedia image policy page. Wikipedia:Image use policy If someone has time to look this over and decide what has to be done to ensure that that shot in the Races article will stay, please do so. Please, oh please, oh please, oh please! I'll get started on it myself, but this seems like a good skill for any editor. Bucky 06:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's another that I just found. Help:Image page Bucky 07:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not figuring out the problem with these tips alone. I'm gonna try an idea that I had. I'm gonna put the Twilight Princess picture that it looks like we want back as the lead picture. If it's reverted, it will show up on the page history, and I can get in contact with the reverter. The theory is that whoever removes the picture will know what is wrong with it. I'll ask what his problem with it is, then we can fix it if possible. The only possible hitch is if the revert is done by an IP address that we can't contact easily. I'm off to give it a go. Cross your fingers. Bucky 19:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting rid of the WoW cameo because its for Link not Zelda, can anyone think of a reason why it should be there? Gailim 15:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

If you play one of the Linken quests for World of Warcraft, then you'll eventually get a picture of Linken and his wife, who looks uncannily like Zelda. 74.70.7.38 01:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I gotta debate something...

"Zelda in Twilight Princess takes more of a supporting role than in previous games. In most other Legend of Zelda games, she is always the focus of the plot and the ultimate aim of the games has been to rescue her or perform some other task directly related to her. In Twilight Princess, the character of Midna seems to take over much of Zelda's role in previous games, the ultimate goal of the game being set by her and interaction between her and Link being a major point of focus, whereas Link and Zelda only meet on three separate occasions, and twice while Link is in Wolf form. Because a close relationship between Link and Zelda has always been a central focus in games in the franchise, their limited interaction in Twilight Princess is one of a number of departures made by Nintendo in the game."

To me, it seems that this entire paragraph is at the flaw of using the wrong words to convey it's meaning. For the most part, the only difference between this Zelda and previous Zelda's is her taking a step down as the leading lady of the franchise... you're still out to save the princess (as well as Hyrule), you still see her only vaguely, and they still merit the Princess-Hero relationship... only in some recent Zeldas (Wind Waker and it's sequels, and Ocarina of Time) that Link and Zelda develop a close bond. In fact, in Zelda II, you see Zelda a grand total of ONCE... at the very end, after you wake her up. In Link's Awakening, you don't see her at all, only her counterpart Marin. In Majora's Mask, you see a short little cameo. On the first Legend of Zelda, her appearances are rare as well, though I forget how many.

Main point: I think that paragraph is right on some points, it just kind of conveys them wrong... am I right? 74.70.7.38 01:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

yeah, I've also noticed how Midna, similar to Navi, has a rivalry for link's affections with Zelda, but I think they should instead simply state that, while Midna has a more predominant role, Zelda still is the main objective, Midna just bosses you around on how to do it.

...not really. That thing at the end was her friendly picking on him - there was no romantic tension up to that point. That would be like Navi being a romantic prospect for OoT Link. As for Zelda - there's really nothing there, either. He meets here once (when both are human), at the end of the game. Before that, he sees her for a few minutes. There's not really any possibility for romance. Ilia was pretty much it. As for Zelda being the point of the game - actually, saving Hyrule, and then killing Ganon are the point - they thought Zelda was dead, remember? Ganon brought her back to life and possessed her to piss off Link - Link never really was trying to save her, was he?

Okay, there's this:

We must save Princess Zelda, Link! We must! To Hyrule Castle!

That's the sum total of the "rescue zelda" part of the quest (and is after the Palace of Twilight bit) - the other mentions of Zelda are merely the Midna and Link's obligation to save Hyrule for her. And hell, it still confuses me - we saw her die, didn't we?KrytenKoro 19:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

But when you are inside of the castle, Midna sais something like "Where is Princess Zelda?! We have to find her" or something like that. Right?

I removed the passage "In other words, Zelda and Link did it. (Or will do it...)" from the section speculating on the romantic relationship between Zelda and Link for obvious reasons. -EarthRise33 06:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite unsure that Zelda possesses the Triforce of Wisdom in Twilight Princess. They never explicitly say who has what Triforce piece (if, even, they possess pieces of the Triforce). They just say things like "goddess powers", "divine powers", "powers bestowed upon me by the goddesses". Ganon and Zelda both admit to having these powers, and Link is told frequently he has them. But we never hear that they actually have them. They all have the symbol of the Triforce on their hands, but, again, the game never explictly states Zelda is the holder of Wisdom, Ganon of Power, Link of Courage, or even they possess the Triforce in any way. Am I wrong? I know they kind of allude to the powers each has, but given they never intentionally say it. I must sound like a broken record, but I believe that while it is most likely Zelda commands the Triforce of Wisdom, we don't know that. I think I'll remove that or rephrase it. 74.70.7.38 00:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

It does show the correct triangle glowing on her hand, for the placement that has been established in earlier games (Ganon as the top triangle, Zelda, (I think, I know I checked this before) as the right-bottom, and Link as the left-bottom).

I think it's known there have been many Links, but is Zelda immortal? I assume she is because she always seems the same in all the games she's in. I guess she's immortal because she's a sage. Can anyone tell me more about this? Son of Jadoja 01:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

There's been many Zelda's. Probably more Zelda's than there's been Link's, because in at least one case (Zelda I and II) It's the same Link, but different Zelda's.DurinsBane87 03:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, DurinsBane87. That's the second time you awnsered a question for me like that. The royal family must really like the name Zelda! Though, it would make sense if she was immortal because she's a sage or at least one of them is! Son of Jadoja 16:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

According to the story from Zelda 2, alot of them are named Zelda in honor of the Original princess Zelda from Zelda 2, who you're questing to awaken. DurinsBane87 18:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to be honest. The SSBM section of the Zelda article is bringing down the quality of the article big time. This is an encyclopedia, not GameFaqs. The section seems more like an instruction manual (WP:NOT#IINFO) than an encyclopedia article. Does anyone else agree that the section needs some major cuts? --Superneoking 23:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

As a boss ( and a fairly major change for the character! ), this needs to be covered, and it seems to fit best here (I could put it on the bosses page, but I'd have to link back to this page anyway). Could you guys add it in as you see fit?KrytenKoro 06:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Just moved this all from the TWW page, as it should be here instead of there. Thanks!KrytenKoro 04:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

thumb|65px|Tetra

Tetra is a sarcastic pirate who (reluctantly) starts Link out on his journey. Her mother died few years before the events of The Wind Waker, and she was left to lead the group of pirates (the only ones actually appearing in the game). She is the character that Ganon meant to kidnap with the Helmaroc King, instead of Aryll. Their similar pointy ears caused the mistake. She helps Link out periodically, and later, her true identity is revealed in Hyrule Castle: she is Princess Zelda, the last heiress in the Hylian Royal Family bloodline.

Tetra is due to appear again in The Wind Waker's sequel, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. It is unknown if she will be in her Princess Zelda form. Also, in The Wind Waker, Tetra did not know she was Zelda, yet knew of Hyrule, the Hero of Time, the Master Sword, and wore a large piece of the Triforce of Wisdom around her neck as a necklace.

"Princess Zelda is the princess of Hyrule. She has magical powers and foresaw the destruction of Hyrule in a dream. She fled the castle with her guardian, Impa, to escape Ganondorf and gave Link the Ocarina of Time. She disguises herself as Sheik and goes into hiding, appearing to Link frequently and helping him through his quest. She finally reveals her true identity later in the game, causing Ganondorf to kidnap her. Link fights Ganondorf to free her. She is quite proficient in the use of the Bow and Arrow; Sheik demonstrates a skill in the harp. It is widely debated among fans that there is a romantic link between Link and Zelda, as many of the other games give the impression that they have feelings for each other.

Zelda is able to morph into Sheik, a Sheikah. It is highly debated whether or not Sheik is actually male or Zelda retains her female identity. The fact that Sheik has a different hair length and eye color than Zelda suggests that she magically morphs between forms, rather than just changing clothes. In addition to this, while shorter than Link and slim in appearance, Sheik's body is decidedly masculine in shape, even considering such things as chest-binding. Princess Zelda is one of the "7" sages. Princess Ruto, however, refers to Sheik as a male, after asking Link to thank Sheik for saving her. The official comic of the series states that Sheik is actually male and he is also referred to as a "young man" by one of the characters, however, this topic is still debated amongst fans.

Regarding a few edits made, it isn't debatable that Zelda in SSBB is based off from TP's Zelda. Whether or not they're the same person is debatable, but given Link as Zelda's counterpart. They're appearance is exact, save for the more subdued colors of SSBB Zelda in comparison to her TP version. Flutterby Lullaby 00:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

If it's not stated by the site, or at least a reliable source, then yes, it is very debatable. As for the appearance being exact - yeah, and it is VERY close to her appearance in all of the games since Ocarina was first released.KrytenKoro 02:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, I emphasized 'based' because that's what she is--based off from TP's Zelda. They have the same look, no denying. Whether they're the same character is what's debatable. However, you insult your own intelligence to say that SSBB's Zelda isn't wearing THE same dress (with slightly different colors) as TP Zelda, and doesn't have a face almost exactly like TP's Zelda. Excuse me if I sound rude, but it's true--they look like twins. Flutterby Lullaby 05:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

All we know for certain is that she is based on the recurring character of Princess Zelda from the TLoZ series. For all we can confirm she might have been designed parallel to TP, and it's just an overwhelming coincidence. As obvious as it seems to all of us, the point remains that WE ARE NOT ALLOWED OR. And again - since OoT, all the Zelda's, including those in remakes, have had the same basic "look" - the design hardly changes between games.KrytenKoro 06:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, maybe you need to actually look at the character. They're appearances ARE EXACT. The dress is EXACTLY the same. It's *not* a coincidence. Yes, Zeldas have the same basic motif... the pink top, the white dress with gloves, the gold headdress and jewelry, and the banner. But they SSBB Zelda and TP Zelda have the same appearance. She is designed to parallel of TP. Do you also want to debate her eye color? I don't want to turn this into a big fight, or an edit war, but the fact that, at the very least, her appearance is based off of TP Zelda is non-debatable.Flutterby Lullaby 03:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to illustrate why OR is not acceptable - please prove that its not a coincidence. Prove that the designs didn't evolve parallel to each other. I'm not trying to fight with you - it's the "put up or shut up" saying - if you can't prove it, it doesn't matter how obvious it is.KrytenKoro 05:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

If I may say something, it's pretty obvious that all of Zelda's incarnations have the same basic appearance, but the Zelda of SSBB looks exactly like the Zelda of TP down to the finest detail. It's crazy to even suggest that it's a coincidence, especially considering TP is the most recent Zelda game. So I guess it's a coincidence that SSBB Link looks exactly like TP Link too, then? AXB-H

Wow. You really, really don't listen. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED THE COURTESY OF ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Unless Nintendo comes out and says that the design is based off the TP version, we can not put forth our own OPINIONS as fact. While I fully agree with you that it's based off the TP design, we are not allowed to say that. But thank you for calling me crazy, when I continuously said that I only differed with you on policy.KrytenKoro 16:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Crazy? I didn't call you crazy, I meant that it's crazy to think that the resemblance between TP Zelda and SSBB Zelda is a coincidence. Sorry if it sounded like an insult.

Has anyone any idea as to why Princess Zelda has been added to the category of fictional ninja?

Because people think that Sheik counts as one, even though technically s/he doesn't. Since Sheik isn't a mercenary and all.KrytenKoro 17:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Please, could you guys could put Zelda's Brawl appereance picture for at least 2 weeks? Please I really need that picture for some time. Mr. Mario 192 16:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You're kidding, right. Go find it on the super smash bros. brawl site. DurinsBane87 04:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The thing is my computer broke 4 days ago and it is still on repair. So, I use a public computer system. But they don't let me on the official website. Mr. Mario 192 16:30, 7 July 2007

To whom it may concern: The reason I keep changing the word "nursemaid" to the word "attendant" in this article is because, in OoT, Zelda tells Link that Impa, her attendant, will show him out (of the castle). If there is a different reason for the other word, please post it on this page so that we quit going back and forth. cocoapropo 10 July, 2007 20:25

From the LoZ manual:

"Ganon, infuriated by the news of Impa's escape, imprisoned the princess and ordered a horde of henchmen to hunt down the elderly nursemaid."

From the AoL manual:

"The worried Link approached Impa, Princess Zelda's elderly nursemaid."

From OoA:

"I am Impa, nurse to Hyrule's Princess Zelda."

From OoS:

"Link! You have awakened!

It's me, Impa...Zelda's nurse."

"Link! Are you all right?...Actually, I am the nurse of Hyrule's Princess Zelda."

From OoT:

"Zelda's attendant, the great Impa, opened this village to the common people."

various other uses of attendant

I'm sorry, I was incorrect. The OoT Impa is indeed Zelda's attendant, but the other incarnations (LoZ, AoL, OoA, OoS) are nursemaids.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I actually haven't read the instruction manuals for the older games. lol I guess I also like the word "attendant" better. cocoapropo 12 July, 2007 17:55

We seem to have two of the same pictures of TP Zelda on here. I'm just wondering, but do we really need them both? 69.47.17.61 01:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Okoa

No, the second one is unnecessary (or perhaps, the top one is)KrytenKoro 02:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...I should go ahead and get rid of the second one. Any objections? Okoa 69.47.17.61 19:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Why are all the Zelda images being deleted?Darth G 22:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Because ejfetters is going through and tagging all of them that have invalid rationales. If you want to keep them, go in and give them a rationale - personally, I don't like most of them anyway, and I'm just going to wait until they are all gone and then re-add suitable pictures with uniform rationales.KrytenKoro 23:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• • These images just don't have sources is all, they need sources. Ejfetters 23:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

So, because of a lack of sources we're going to end up with a pictureless page for a very important character?Darth G 03:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You mean that because of a bunch of images violating strict rules we'll lose images....YES. You could alleviate the problem by finding sources to insert. DurinsBane87 03:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Now all of the images are sourced so there is no need to wory about deletion. --69.156.207.222 04:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

As explained here, the arguments for Zelda having a lead picture are essentially the same as those for Ganon - she does keep a pink dress (that drastically changes design) in most of her appearances, and is Hylian (which correlate to Ganon's armor and Gerudo-ness), but otherwise changes design as much as Ganon, is only the same person for pairs of games, and changes form at least three times - both of which are more notable than Ganondorf's transformations, as Sheik has appeared outside of the series, unlike blue Ganon, and Tetra has appeared in three games so far, more than green Ganon.KrytenKoro 21:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

If you wish to discuss this, please respond at the previously linked discussion, so that we aren't reiterating our points over and over.KrytenKoro 21:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed that the references for the page are often a hock. Anyone up to finding accurate cites? 74.70.7.38 17:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I cant find the image of possesed Zelda. Can someone tell where it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 20:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Princess Zelda is placed in the "Fictional Characters with Multiple Personality Disorder", but she clearly doesn't belong. Can this be removed, or does someone have justification for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.102.219 (talk) 01:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Tetra, and to a lesser extent, Sheik? Since the manga suggests Sheik is a true alternate form/personality, while the game merely allows it.KrytenKoro 02:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't played Windwaker, so is Tetra actually established as a multiple personality, or simply an assumed identity and/or mannerism? Sheik was never portrayed as an MPD in the game, simply a disguise she played. I'm not sure if the manga should be considered canon. If so, then a disclaimer in the article explaining that she is only MPD in the manga would make more sense. Tyciol 18:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Such a disorder in never explicitly mentioned in any of the games, so it simply shouldn't be included. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This seems to be more of the mainstream idea of MPD than actual MPD, anyways. DurinsBane87

Tetra is portrayed as a separate personality, and Zelda is a personality that has the knowledge of both of them - Zelda is "complete". As for Sheik - it wasn't really portrayed either way - it can be interpreted as a separate persona, or merely a disguise. Any idea someone has for which way it is is mostly their own opinion (possibly with bias from the non-canon appearances).KrytenKoro 02:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see how Tetra can ever be construed as a seperate personality--Tetra is Zelda, but Zelda without knowing she is Zelda. It's not like she switches between personas at Tetra and Zelda. As for Sheik, we have no idea what Sheik is like--s/he only comes to tell Link something cryptic and then vanishes. Sheik has no personality. 74.70.3.240 (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

If you play PH, its made even more clear that even when she knows she is "Zelda", Tetra has a different persona. As for Sheik - I agree.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

About Zelda's sword in Twilight Princess, is it a smallsword or a rapier? Leader Vladimir —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Does it matter? I don't even recall it showing up in the game. DurinsBane87 22:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

It's just a light doubt, Zelda's sword appeared when Zelda was witnessing Zant's attack on Hyrule Castle, when she surrendered, Zelda dropped the sword. It also appears as Ganon-possessed Zelda's primary weapon during the Zelda boss fight. So, it is a smallsword or a rapier? Leader Vladimir

It looks more like a smallsword, but it's such an insignificant detail that it shouldn't even be mentioned in the article.KrytenKoro 00:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the relevance of the following passage is: "Zelda herself apologizes for "meeting Link in disguise," which could either refer to her changing into the form of a man or simply changing clothes." Zelda apologizes for meeting in disguise, because she was in disguise. I don't see why it's significant, or that the type of disguise (just clothing or magical) matters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.89.5 (talk) 11:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The significance is that there is an uncertainty as to whether Sheik is (physically speaking) male or female, and it should not be taken that this statement is proof one way or another. She could have dressed up, she could have cast an illusion on herself, or she could have actually, physically transformed into a man. It is meant to keep people from misunderstanding. Midaki (talk) 07:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Since I don't want this to turn into an edit war, I'll address KrytenKoro's comment on the edit: Ruto, at that point, is not a Sage. Yes, Sheik knows that Impa is a Sage, but Impa was aware herself that she was, whereas Ruto was not. There is nothing indicating that Zelda and Ruto had even met before Zelda took on the guise of Sheik. We don't know that Impa knows, actually (she simply says that Zelda is safe, and they will meet face-to-face--which is pretty clear evidence, but...)--I'm pretty sure, I'm not debating that, but Impa is Zelda's caretaker--and, in the manga, changed Zelda into Sheik, if that's at all noteworthy--so it does make sense that she knows. But why should anyone else? Why would Zelda go around telling people that she is the Princess--wouldn't that just defeat the purpose?

We know that Ruto does not know that Sheik is Zelda--so it doesn't mean anything either way that Sheik is called "he". I suppose it's more acceptable to say that fans often speculate that the third-person singular person pronoun (I think that's the correct word for it) she uses is evidence, but it's also noteworthy that Zelda is under disguise. Ah, and I'm just using different computers, so my IP Address will change frequently. I think I should get around to making an account. 163.153.64.48 (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we don't really know what Ruto knows - all we know is what Ruto says. Also, if I remember correctly, Rauru seems to know who Sheik really is. In any case, Ruto does say "he" - what this actually means is left up to the reader of the article, as it should be, but it is overly skeptic to deny actual quotes from the games because we're not sure what they mean - the quote evidently has some relevance to the question, so we include it. So long as we don't interpret it, it remains NPOV.

If this interpretation of NPOV is incorrect, could someone please tell me.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 07:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright--but I do think it should be more non-objectionable. Rather than say that the statement indicates that Sheik is male, it should simply be mentioned and left for reader interpretation, 'kay? 163.153.64.48 (talk) 18:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)