Talk:New Zealand bellbird

New Zealand bellbird is currently a Biology and medicine good article nominee. Nominated by Podzemnik (talk) at 20:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Note: Please note that it's my first attempt to write a decent article. I'm still a newbie here and don't know many standards, policies and processes so please be patient with me. --Podzemnik (talk) 21:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC) Short description: Species of bird

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so many editors have been in here, but it is still a stub..moza 13:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given that male and female have different appearance, is it possible for more of the image captions to indicate sex (only with certainty, of course)? Nurg (talk) 08:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, thanks for noticing. I’ve included sex in captions and replaced a couple of images so we have a better representation of females and juveniles. Podzemnik (talk) 07:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Zealand bellbird/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Podzemnik (talk · contribs) 20:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Esculenta (talk · contribs) 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll review this article. I'll have my comments here this weekend. Esculenta (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the delay. Real life and all that… Here is the first part of my review. Overall, the article is quite informative and well-written and most of my comments below are suggestions for minor improvements. I think the only thing that's really missing is a bit more detail about the subspecies. I'll be back later to perform source spotchecks. Esculenta (talk) 17:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your review, I really appreciate it! I'm quite busy right now, but I will go through your review and address your suggestions, hopefully next week. Cheers, Podzemnik (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

• some links might be considered to fall under WP:OVERLINK, like Europe, tongue, flower, parks, gardens, fruit, insect, and eggs. However, linking to bird egg would be more subject specific and perhaps useful. Other possibly useful links: breeding season, pair bond
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• maybe tweak wording to remove the repeated use of "noted"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Its "Captain Cook" in the lead, but "James Cook" throughout the article … maybe the lead use should be the full "Captain James Cook"?
  • Sure, fixed. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Bellbirds have modified their ninth primaries," if I don't know what a "primary" is, I have to click away from the article to find out what this means, so can the wording be tweaked to "ninth primary flight feathers" or similar?
  • OK --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The. bellbird is regarded as taonga by the Māori," maybe gloss taonga so reader doesn't have to click away to determine meaning
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• minor regional spelling inconsistencies: utilize/ recognised /symbolises
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy and nomenclature

• image caption: "Illustration of a male (right) and a female bellbirds by J. G. Keulemans, 1888"
  • Fixed, thanks. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "When anchored at Queen Charlotte Sound, Cook's botanist Joseph Banks" I would word this as "the voyage botanist", as "Cook's botanist" sounds unusual to me
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "It's assumed that the chorus was created by bellbirds" contractions are generally avoided in formal prose (other instances as well, several "it's", a "doesn't" and a "don't")
  • OK, I didn't realise that. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The first specimen was collected by Johann Reinhold Forster and Anders Sparrman in April 1773 during the Second voyage of James Cook." suggest avoiding passive voice, e.g. "Johann Reinhold Forster and Anders Sparrman collected the first specimen in April 1773 during James Cook's second voyage."
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The species' scientific epithet" suggest "specific name" or "species epithet"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "binominal name" (x2) -> binomial name
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• " Type locality was later corrected to Queen Charlotte Sound." needs "the"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• for best practices, the Latin and Mari names should be in language templates
  • OK. I put the Greek words into a lang template too. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "and a second member of the Anthornis genus." -> "and a second member of the genus Anthornis."
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's the 3rd mention of "the genus Anthornis" in the paragraph. Better if this mention is just "the genus" – there'll be no confusion over which genus.
• link monotypic, molecular study, clade, phylogenetic, cladogram
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• so this species is the type species of genus Anthornis? Maybe that should be said explicitly (the genus page isn't obvious about it either)

Description

• possibly useful links: iridescent, plumage, gape, vent
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "fore-flanks" according to this source, this word is obsolete?
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• ""Similar to other honeyeaters, bellbirds have a brush-like tongue which is used to collect nectar deeply from flowers." which -> that
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The tongue is canaliculated" I happen to know what this means because the same term is used in lichenology, but I doubt most others would know, so it should probably be glossed or rephrased.
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution and habitat

• • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• the vagrant link should instead point to Vagrancy (biology)
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Its habitat encompasses both native and exotic forests and scrublands," might want to tweak the wording here, as the last bird mentioned was the tūī.
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• could link population density
  • OK. Do you have some kind of a tool for knowing where to link or do you remember that we have articles on these topics here? --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Behaviour and ecology

• "Main natural predators of bellbirds are swamp harrier (Circus approximans)[41] and New Zealand falcon (Falco novaeseelandiae)." needs "The"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• maybe links: broods, reproductive success, hawking
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "and can live at least 8 years." 8 -> eight per MOS:NUMERAL
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "(Sophora sp)" -> sp.
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• “yeng” -> "yeng" (normalising quote marks)
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• spell out unit Herz and link
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conservation

• links: habitat destruction, invasive species (or pipe Invasive species in New Zealand), introduced species
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Prominent New Zealand ornithologist" Needs "The", else is false title
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "In the South Island, bellbirds did not hit their lowest numbers in Canterbury until 1900." suggest "In the South Island, bellbird numbers in Canterbury did not reach their lowest point until 1900."
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Bellbird populations have suffered significant declines due to the destruction of native forests (initiated by Māori and perpetuated by Europeans[63]) and the introduction of invasive predators such as cats (Felix catus), mustelids (ferret (Mustela furo), stoat (M. erminea), weasel (M. nivalis)), and rodents (Norwegian rat (Rattus norvegicus), ship rat (Rattus rattus))." the double parentheses are slightly awkward, maybe a prose tweak needed?
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "a disease such as avian malaria which was introduced" comma before "which"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• maybe links: taxa, passerine
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "honey-bee" according to its article, this is usually written as either "honeybee" or "honey bee"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "More recent research" Recommend not using "recent", especially here as the two cited sources (both 2010) are less recent than the source discussed in the previous sentence (2015)
  • Good point. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "According to IUCN" unlink this (was already linked two sentences ago)
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The decline is most prominent in lowlands below 1000 m above sea level." suggest "The decline is most prominent in lowland areas under 1000 meters in elevation." to avoid the slightly awkward below/above construction
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship with humans

• link proverb, oratories, snare trap, fowler
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• suggest enclosing Maori words/phrases in lang template
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• about the translation, isn't Kī mai ki a au more accurately rendered as "and if you ask me" or "if you were to ask me"?
• "Bellbirds enjoy eating the fruit of a small forest tree" In formal writing, attributing human emotions or preferences to animals can sometimes be seen as anthropomorphism and may be considered inappropriate.
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The fowler would then set up a low laying horizontal perch snare…" -> "The fowler would then set up a low-lying horizontal perch snare"
  • OK. --Podzemnik (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misc

• missing information ("missing" = stuff I expected to see in the article but did not):

• what are the morphological differences between the subspecies? What do their subspecies epithets mean?

• any chance of including citations to the protologues of these subspecies?

• the sources all look reliable and appropriate. This is not required to pass GAN, but if you wanted, you could tidy the citations a bit by changing "p." to "pp." where appropriate, consistently using endashes instead of hyphens for page number ranges, and italicising scientific names in the title of sources.

• Images & media:

• File:Walter Lawry Buller (English School).jpg needs "a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States."
• all other & media have appropriate licenses for use on Wikipedia