Talk:Mikoyan MiG-35/Archive 2

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MiG-35 russian analogue F-35. 4+++ in russian classification cheaper 5. F-35 is cheaper F-22. Russian analogue F-22 PAK FA. Project in progress. F-35 in russian classification 4+++. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.52.114.70 (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The Mig-35 technically is 4++ not a 4+++, but I believe most people are so tired of having this conversation so the F-35 can remain on the list until someone else objects. Although the source listed has nothing to do with aircraft comparisons so i'll be removing that. -Nem1yan (talk) 19:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

"With the vectored thrust nozzles, the engines are designated RD-33OVT and will allow the MiG-35 to be the first production twin-engine aircraft with vectoring nozzles that can move in two directions or planes. Other current thrust-vectoring aircraft, such as the Su-30MKI and the F-22, have nozzles that vector in one direction/plane."

Whether this is sourced or not, this info is wrong. Any video showing MKIs nozzles clearly indicate they can also move sidewards. So I think it should be deleted.

"In recent years the aviation industry has evidenced an increasing use of jet-powered, instrumented, vectored thrust unmanned vehicles ("research drones"), which increase the potential flyable alpha angle of attack beyond 90 degrees angle of attack well into the post-stall effective/safe flight domains and have also replaced some of the traditional uses of wind tunnels"

So whats the point? I dont see any relationship between this statement and the article.Andraxxus (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The Su-30MKI's nozzles dont truly vector in more than one direction. They are offset from the axis and move in somewhat of a "V" shape. It creates a corkscrew effect and enhances maneuverability but it isnt true 3D thrust vectoring. You can google it if you wish -Nem1yan (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

THe article mentions that the MiG-35 uses an open architecture and a MIL-STD-1553 bus. Does this mean that the the MiG-35 is compatible with NATO missiles, if the customer should so desire? Axeman (talk) 21:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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I deleted this section because currently, it is still reported as a "planned sale." My deleted text was subsequently re-instated by the author. Egypt has also purchased Rafele's from France - this is not a "planned sale" as the first three aircraft have already been delivered. See: [[1]]. My logic is that there is no point in documenting speculation in the article - once a MiG-29/35 sale has been actually confirmed and deliveries have started, then we can call Egypt a MiG-29/35 operator, not before. Rather than getting into an edit war - perhaps its best discussed here. Farawayman (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the "Egypt" text has been edited again - and now reflects it being a future expected sale - I am fine with that. No need for further comments on this. Farawayman (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

have you more sources about this sold to egypt?--Bolzanobozen (talk) 14:26, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Fnlayson I approciate the clarification with the relevant guidance provided. I was unaware that it also covered firm orders. Regards Irondome (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

• You're welcome. The wording at WP:AIRCRAFT-OPERATORS is to prevent listing all possible/potential operators in this section. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

The article currently states that the first fighter equipped with two-direction vectored thrust was the Sukhoi Su-35S. However, the Su-35S first flew on February 19th, 2008, while the MiG-35 was first revealed in 2007. So while the Su-35S is indeed the first fighter with this feature to enter operational service, the MiG-35 ought to be mentioned as the first to fly overall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.154.63.69 (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Development on the modernized Su-35 (BM/S variant) began c. 2005. I don't see any text in the article now that says the Su-35 was first with vectored thrust. The text in the Powerplant subsection says the Su-35 is the only in-service fighter with thrust vectoring in two planes in 2012. That's true as the MiG-35 was not in operational service then and is not yet in service as afar is reported in media. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

All I'm trying to find out is which of the two actually flew first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.154.63.69 (talk) 23:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC)