Talk:Midnight poem/GA1
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Reviewer: Argento Surfer (talk · contribs) 20:07, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
It may take two days for me to complete my initial review. I will note/pass items as I go along. You don't need to wait for me to finish to begin addressing them. Most of my comments are open for discussion, so feel free to question anything. Once complete, I will be claiming points for this review in the 2017 WikiCup. 20:07, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Is it well written?
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- The lead is a little short. It should include a brief description of the poem ("It describes the speaker lying alone at night.") and mention that the poem has inspired other poets.
- Expanded slightly. Is there anything else you think is missing here? Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- No, I think it's good now. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Expanded slightly. Is there anything else you think is missing here? Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Metre (poetry) and Aeolic verse should be linked in Poem.
- Both of these are now linked. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I think the "(see Prosody (Greek)#Aeolic))" is clumsy. Why not just link it directly from hagesichorean?
- I've just removed this parenthesis. It could be linked, but I don't think it really contains anything relevant which isn't already in Aeolic verse. If you disagree, feel free to link it, though; I'm not bothered. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- "It describes the speaker lying alone at night." This short sentence feels out of place within the paragraph. I think it would read better combined with the previous sentence, such as " The poem, which is composed ... hagesichorean, describes the speaker lying alone at night."
- Sentence is now slightly longer; I've also split the paragraph before this sentence. Can redraft if you still don't like it, but it looks better to me now. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Looks good to me Argento Surfer (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sentence is now slightly longer; I've also split the paragraph before this sentence. Can redraft if you still don't like it, but it looks better to me now. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Wilamowitz is referred to by last name in Poem, but he's not properly introduced until Authorship. The link and full name should be at his first mention.
- First names for Reiner and Kovacs are not provided in the prose.
- The sentence beginning "Other authors..." is rather long. It should be split after lover, and Tsagarakis' comment may work better as its own sentence as well.
- Split into three sentences Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
"goes as follows:" - this sounds rather casual. Perhaps "reads as follows:"? See below for additional comments about the Scansion.- already fixed.- Under Authorship and Legacy, should midnight be capitalized?
- I see that I capitalised "Brothers Poem", but not "Tithonus poem". I think it should either be "midnight poem" or "Midnight Poem", and that it should be consistent, but I don't have a strong opinion as to which. Diskin Clay doesn't capitalise it in "Fragmentum Adespotum 976". Cuntz, Gudemir & George (2016) do, but they are not classicists and I am suspicious of pretty much everything in their paper other than the results of their calculations. If you have a strong opinion I will do that; otherwise I shall keep it as "midnight poem" (though I note regardless of which capitalisation style the article ends up at, it currently has "Midnight poem" twice and "midnight poem" the rest of the time...) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinion. I went ahead and made it uniformly midnight poem to match Clay. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I see that I capitalised "Brothers Poem", but not "Tithonus poem". I think it should either be "midnight poem" or "Midnight Poem", and that it should be consistent, but I don't have a strong opinion as to which. Diskin Clay doesn't capitalise it in "Fragmentum Adespotum 976". Cuntz, Gudemir & George (2016) do, but they are not classicists and I am suspicious of pretty much everything in their paper other than the results of their calculations. If you have a strong opinion I will do that; otherwise I shall keep it as "midnight poem" (though I note regardless of which capitalisation style the article ends up at, it currently has "Midnight poem" twice and "midnight poem" the rest of the time...) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The lead is a little short. It should include a brief description of the poem ("It describes the speaker lying alone at night.") and mention that the poem has inspired other poets.
- B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry doesn't have a clear MOS for section headings, but based on the FA Ode on a Grecian Urn, I think the material in Poem and The poem in Greek could be combined into one Poem section.
- fixed.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry doesn't have a clear MOS for section headings, but based on the FA Ode on a Grecian Urn, I think the material in Poem and The poem in Greek could be combined into one Poem section.
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- Is it verifiable with no original research?
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- no concern
- B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
- no concern
- C. It contains no original research:
- no concern
- D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
- earwig is clear. AGF on print sources.
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
The Scansion is presented without any context. At minimum, readers should be told what they're looking at with a link. A brief explanation of what the symbols mean would also be very helpful.- addressed
- B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
- no concern
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- Is it neutral?
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- no concern
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Is it stable?
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- no concern
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- n/a
- B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- n/a
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- Pass pending replies to suggestions made above. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with your comments re. the section "The poem in Greek", and have edited the article to work those into the section Midnight poem#Poem. That section was just added this morning by a different editor, though, so hopefully they won't object to my changes. re. scansion, I gave a brief explanation of the symbols used, and linked Aeolic verse. "hagesichorean" could be piped to Aeolic verse#Names of basic lengths as well/instead if you think this would make things clearer. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Nice work. Passing the article. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with your comments re. the section "The poem in Greek", and have edited the article to work those into the section Midnight poem#Poem. That section was just added this morning by a different editor, though, so hopefully they won't object to my changes. re. scansion, I gave a brief explanation of the symbols used, and linked Aeolic verse. "hagesichorean" could be piped to Aeolic verse#Names of basic lengths as well/instead if you think this would make things clearer. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Pass pending replies to suggestions made above. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Pass or Fail: