Talk:Homer House

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 02:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Homer House
Homer House
  • Source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/06/winslow-homers-early-days "The 1853 Homer House, an Italianate mansion that dominates a hill just above Belmont town center, is open for tours. ... Guided tours highlight the largely untouched original interior architecture, along with the life and early work of the couple’s nephew, Winslow Homer. ... He and his family lived nearby, but in a modest farmhouse (still standing and privately owned)..."
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.

GRuban (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Alt1 ...that the cupola of Homer House (pictured) is part of a 19th-century cooling system?

TSventon (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the article talk page, User:TSventon points out that the article doesn't explicitly back the hook, by which I believe they mean that it doesn't explicitly say "Winslow Homer made Homer House historic". That is true, the sources mostly talk about the house by talking about it in the context of the life of the artist, which I think is the same thing, but if the reviewer disagrees, we can say:

--GRuban (talk) 14:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just a comment on ALT2: he also never lived in my house either. Perhaps the hook could use some clarification of why it should be automatically connected to Winslow, despite his never having lived in it. Dahn (talk) 18:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your house isn't named "Homer House". But OK:
--GRuban (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 21:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was moved to mainspace on July 29, and nominated on July 30. Length and sourcing are adequate. No plagiarism issues detected, and the article is neutral in tone. All images used in the article have a public domain license on the Commons. The nominated image is used in the article, clear at a low resolution, and enhances the hook. QPQ requirement is complete. I have struck ALT0 since it is not explicity mentioned in the article, and I cannot locate any source which says that Winslow Homer made the house famous. I have struck ALT2 and ALT3 for being not interesting to a broad audience. Something an artist did not do, is not going to generate interest in clicking on article about this house. ALT1 approved as the best hook proposed. It is interesting to a broad audience, it is about the house itself, properly mentioned and cited in the article, and verified by the source. I remain open to revisiting the nomination if other hooks are proposed. Best wishes! Flibirigit (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hook fact

GRuban, is the hook true? "The 1853 Homer House, an Italianate mansion that dominates a hill just above Belmont town center" suggests it is important in its own right. Also the hook fact needs to be included in the article, but I can't see it there. TSventon (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The overwhelming majority of sources in the article say so.
I guess to someone the house could be important in its own right, because they had their first kiss there, or they fell off the roof and broke their leg there, or even because it's an Italianate 1853 "mansion" (it's got 15 rooms, so it's not a shack, but neither is it Buckingham Palace). However, to the overwhelming majority of sources in the article, the clearly most important fact about Homer House is that Winslow Homer drew there, even though he didn't actually live there. You can see that in the source I'm using in the DYK - the title is "Winslow Homer's Early Days", even though it's about the house itself. Here is another, explicitly saying the significance of the house is Winslow Homer: https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/country-gazette/2018/09/27/mission-to-protect-preserve-belmont/64641687007/: " Some may notice a sign hanging in front of it that says, “Belmont Woman’s Club,” but still have no idea what the significance of the building is. American Artist Winslow Homer was the nephew of William Flagg Homer, who built the house at 661 Pleasant St. in Belmont in 1853 as a summer residence. Winslow spent many of his summers at his uncle’s house and much of his work depicts scenes of Belmont people and places, including his uncle’s home". Here is another https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/belmont-citizen-herald/2013/05/20/summer-is-coming-belmont/37868934007/ "Summer" is Coming! Belmont site associated with Winslow Homer opens for tours and “Croquet Summer” exhibit beginning May 25 (wickedlocal.com) --GRuban (talk) 15:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it really bothers you we can do "...that Winslow Homer never lived in Homer House", and leave out the "made it historic" part. You agree that the article does say he lived elsewhere? The reason I'm reluctant to shorten it that much is that lots of people (Homer, Homer Simpson, ...) never lived in Homer House, and I want to point out that unlike those Homers, Winslow Homer is, in fact, strongly connected to it. Do you insist? --GRuban (talk) 15:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GRuban, I am still not totally convinced by the hook, but I wasn't intending to do a full review or tell you to do anything. Did you see the "This Old House" episode on YouTube? I think that could be the source for an alternative hook
...that the cupola of Homer House (pictured) is part of a 19th-century cooling system?
Source: https://eu.wickedlocal.com/story/belmont-citizen-herald/2015/10/01/this-old-house-renovates/33376213007/ "Richard Trethewey gets a tour of the home’s original plumbing and cupola-- which acted as the cooling system of the 1853 mansion" TSventon (talk) 00:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I have found an article on Jstor, which calls Homer House "a landmark of both art and architectural history", which I think is a good description. TSventon (talk) 14:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GRuban, there is another question om the nomination page. TSventon (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you --GRuban (talk) 16:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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