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Section sizes Section size for History of Israel (60 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 8,358 8,358 Prehistory 3,805 5,213 Periodisation 1,408 1,408 Bronze Age Canaan 5,565 5,565 Ancient Israel and Judah: Iron Age to Babylonian period 127 30,389 Early Israelites (Iron Age I) 4,724 4,724 Israel and Judah (Iron Age II) 12,680 19,356 Assyrian invasions 6,676 6,676 Babylonian period (587–538 BCE) 131 6,182 First revolt, 597 defeat 2,367 2,367 Second revolt, 587/86 defeat 2,830 2,830 Babylonian diaspora after 587/86 BCE 854 854 Second Temple period 57 34,481 Persian period (538–332 BCE) 3,936 3,936 Hellenistic period (333–64 BCE) 9,064 9,064 Early Roman period (64 BCE–2nd century CE) 2,912 2,912 Jewish–Roman wars 18,512 18,512 Late Roman and Byzantine periods 82 15,848 Late Roman period (136–390) 9,618 9,618 Byzantine period (390–634) 6,148 6,148 Early Muslim period 3,594 9,918 Demographic changes 6,324 6,324 Crusades and Mongols 5,233 5,233 Mamluk period 3,899 3,899 Ottoman period 463 15,581 Old Yishuv 5,575 5,575 Birth of Zionism 5,591 5,591 World War I 3,952 3,952 Mandatory Palestine 54 45,746 First years 10,018 10,018 Increase in Jewish immigration 2,681 2,681 Arab revolt and the White Paper 6,447 6,447 World War II and the Holocaust 8,691 8,691 Illegal Jewish immigration and insurgency 7,580 7,580 United Nations Partition Plan 6,336 6,336 Civil War 3,939 3,939 State of Israel 108 115,259 Arab–Israeli War 4,605 8,150 Armistice Agreements 3,545 3,545 1948–1955: Ben-Gurion I; Sharett 14,390 14,390 1955–1963: Ben-Gurion II 6,811 6,811 1963–1969: Eshkol 10,662 10,662 1969–1974: Meir 7,200 7,200 1974–1977: Rabin I 4,502 4,502 1977–1983: Begin 8,525 8,525 1983–1992: Shamir I; Peres I; Shamir II 4,175 4,175 1992–1996: Rabin II; Peres II 6,334 6,334 1996–2001: Netanyahu I; Barak 7,929 7,929 2001–2006: Sharon 4,872 4,872 2006–2009: Olmert 6,059 6,059 2009–2021: Netanyahu II 20,679 20,679 2021–present: Bennett; Lapid; Netanyahu III 4,863 4,863 Demographics 2,449 2,449 See also 802 802 Notes 35 35 References 28 5,527 Works cited 5,499 5,499 Further reading 6,802 7,044 Primary sources 242 242 External links 1,140 1,140 Total 312,487 312,487

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at the end of the fifth paragraph of the section "netanyahu I; Barak," the sentence "since 2013 it has been a permanent member of the group" is repeated twice. Chairibum (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The opening line: "The history of Israel covers an area of the Southern Levant also known as Canaan, Palestine or the Holy Land, which is the geographical location of the modern states of Israel and Palestine." - The early sentence reference to "Palestine" here is incorrect. It was NOT called Palestine when it was known as Canaan or The Holy Land. Also, Palestine is not recognized as a country, or a state.

"The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BCE occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza."

"This country received the name of Palestine, from the Philistines, who dwelt on the sea coast: it was called Judea, from Judah: and is termed the Holy Land, being the country where Jesus Christ was born, preached his holy doctrines, confirmed them by miracles, and laid down his life for mankind."

"While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively."

Sources:

https://hc.edu/museums/dunham-bible-museum/tour-of-the-museum/bible-in-america/bibles-for-a-young-republic/judea-palestine-or-the-holy-land/#:~:text=This%20country%20received%20the%20name,down%20his%20life%20for%20mankind.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine#:~:text=The%20word%20Palestine%20derives%20from,Tel%20Aviv%E2%80%93Yafo%20and%20Gaza.

https://unctad.org/topic/palestinian-people/The-question-of-Palestine#:~:text=While%20the%20State%20of%20Israel,by%20Jordan%20and%20Egypt%2C%20respectively.

Please fix this issue, in any way you see fit, and don't be pressured by political biases on a supposedly FACTUAL website.

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change "The result of the 29 August 1967 Arab League summit was the Khartoum Resolution, which according to Abd al Azim Ramadan, left only one option -a war with Israel." to "The result of the 29 August 1967 Arab League summit was the Khartoum Resolution, which according to Abd al Azim Ramadan, left only one option – a war with Israel." Imginarypart (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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change "Increased Soviet antisemitism and enthusiasm generated by the 1967 victory led to a wave of Soviet Jews applying to emigrate to Israel. ." to "Increased Soviet antisemitism and enthusiasm generated by the 1967 victory led to a wave of Soviet Jews applying to emigrate to Israel." Imginarypart (talk) 09:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Near the end of second lead paragraph it says "...., until Saladin’s Ayyubids finally expelled Christian rule late in the 12th century." Although Saladin conquered Jerusalem and most of the Christian kingdom, the Crusaders retreated to Acre and mantained their rule near the coast. It was only a century later that the remaining Crusader kingdom fell completely at the hands of the Mamluks. I think it would be more accurate if the sentence read "From the 11th century to the 13th century, the Land of Israel became the centre for intermittent religious wars between European Christian and Muslim armies as part of the Crusades, with the Kingdom of Jerusalem being almost entirely overrun by Saladin's Ayyubids late in the 12th century, although the remaining Crusader outposts would last for another century."

Further modifications are welcome. Thanks in advance.--2800:2503:121:F0F:1:0:3E80:E756 (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- The A. Ronen article ("The oldest human groups in the Levant") is out of date, publ. in 2006. It's the base of most of the paragraph.

- Terms are used chaotically, w/o understanding their meaning.

- Human remains have meanwhile been identified among Ubeidiye material. Arminden (talk) 10:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pls don't remove historical facts. Qualifications can always be made after discussing them here, but the facts are clear. Thank you. Arminden (talk) 14:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: I guess you are referring to the removal and edits of:

1- "the Jews accepted the plan, while de Arabs rejected it."

This is an oversimplification that does not summarize the body and ignores Ben Gurion's publicly stated intention to take over all of Palestine.

2- "civil war ensued, won by the Jews"

this sounds like a football match that does not align with how RS have portrayed the events, also too detailed for lede.

3- "the Israeli Declaration of Independence sparked the 1948 War in which Israel repelled the invading armies of the neighbouring states. It resulted in the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight"

the declaration was the immediate step before the war, but obviously the war would have ensued anyway due to the raging conflict. Also which historical fact says that the 15 May 1948 war resulted in the Palestinian expulsion, when it is a historical fact that this expulsion had started in late 1947? And how did Israel "repel" the invading forces if it had not been able to control the West Bank and Gaza? Makeandtoss (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Every recent BBC World Service programme summarised it exactly this way. BBC, not Israeli TV or Deutsche Welle. We're talking about the intro (lead); in the body one can add as many qualifying remarks and justifications as one wants - and the fellow editors go along with :) Arminden (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]