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Former featured articleGoomba is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 27, 2004Featured article candidatePromoted
April 15, 2005Articles for deletionKept
March 21, 2006Featured article reviewKept
May 20, 2006Featured article reviewDemoted
January 4, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former featured article

Lots of useful information removed!

Has anyone else notice how much useful information was removed from the Goomba article? Seriously! Observe this link and see for yourself. However, when I attempted to revert it, it said there was "contradicting edits" and that it could not be redone. Does anyone else agree with me when I say that a lot of good facts was removed? TurtleShroom! :) 14:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Featured article candidacy

This article was nominated for featured article status but was not promoted. --Redquark 04:47, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

An article about a very prevalent and famous video game character. Probably the very first video game enemy most gamers saw when they bought their first Nintendo game system. It has also become a very common character in the various Mario video games, cartoon shows, and toys. 172.192.210.164 20:29, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Veto Object (I do not think that means what you think it means Ta bu shi da yu) — It's missing detail on the Goombas from the movie; and the information of their appearance in the things you listed. --Blade Hirato 02:52, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Oh ok. What do I do now? The guidelines on the top says to address any objections. I'm guessing the veto thing equals an "object". or does it mean something else? How do I address this? Do I add information into the article? Argue why it isn't there or what? I'm not sure what's next? 172.195.76.135 05:19, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • FYI - no one around here can "veto" anything - his objection counts just as little/much as anyone elses. And the proper procedure now would be to fix what he says is wrong with the article. --Your humble featured article director 05:24, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure what that means. Am I suppose to do something after someone votes "veto"/"object"? 172.195.76.135 05:27, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) Thank you. I'll try to do that. 172.195.76.135 05:28, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Even though I myself have worked on the article recently, and would be delighted to see it featured, I think it still needs more work (specifically, more info on goombas in the Paper Mario series). Maybe we should port this over to peer review. ~ FriedMilk 06:23, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support-just an idea of making long article about this is amusing. Very good! [[User:Avala|Avala|★]] 21:28, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, too short. --GeneralPatton 07:10, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 18:31, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Ambi 08:36, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but "gomba" means "mushroom" in Hungarian.

It may or may not be just a coincidence. The only difference between gomba and goomba is the first vowel's length.
Gomba is not Hungarian in its origins, it was borrowed centuries ago from the Slavs ("goba", "hoba"), and in the end it is from an Indo-European root. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.222.181.14 (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Attack

Goombas also appeared in Super Mario 64 and were defeated by being stomped upon, or by Mario using another physical attack such as a punch or kick.

This breaks the rule of three, make it something like punch, kick or whatever -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:06, 2004 Sep 13 (UTC)
The awkward sentence has been deleted. Shard 05:12, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Kuribo's shoe

Best line about this powerup: "I'm not entirely sure who Kuribo is, but he's obviously pretty stupid if Goombas keep making off with his shoes." [1]. I can't think of any encyclopedic way to insert it into the article though :-). --Redquark 04:39, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, Kuribo means Goomba. Those are Goomba's Shoes.74.138.7.148 00:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stomping

This article mentions Mario's ability to stomp on the goomba several times over and over again. It sounds redundant. Osam 07:40, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lead

I expanded the lead, as was requested by several on WP:FAC, but the change was reverted as being "redundant". The lead, by definition, is supposed to be a summary of the article. Without a lead, the article will never get promoted.... Mpolo 16:53, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

That's some good writing. I guess I should have mentioned the WP:FAC in my edit summary. My attempt to incorporate the word origin into the lead (which would have addressed the word origin length objection) was a disaster. I was also trying to expand the lead by providing a context about how prevalant goombas are compared to other Mario enemies. I guess it was better to remove it altogether than clean it up. Maybe some of the people at FAC might remove their objection about the lead. Anyways, good job Mpolo. Slits 01:11, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I didn't realize the lead needed to be expanded, sorry. However, what you wrote was largely the same information as slightly lower down in the article. I'll see if I can put some back. Andre (talk) 17:14, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Origin of "Kuribô?"

Does anyone know the origin of Kuribô? I couldn't find it in any dictionary, is it possibly a fusion of two different words (like Gojira)? --Feitclub 15:32, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

kuri, "chestnut", + boo, "people" 24 at 5 July 2005 02:13 (UTC)

Notice how there's also a Yu-Gi-Oh monster called kuribo? I always figured the 'bo' was just that generic 'bo' syllable that gets inserted into any little spherical monster, such as the botamon and yukimibotamon from digimon, and the black boes/white boes from zelda.

I have always been extremely suspicious of the suggestion that they are chestnuts. Sure, Kuri is a kind of Japanese chestnut, but I have never seen a source that says the Kuribo is actually supposed to be a chestnut. From the Wiki page:
"they are commonly believed to be mushroom creatures that betrayed the Mushroom Kingdom (...) in alliance with the Bowser's Koopa army, but in Japan they are evil chestnuts."
They certainly look like Mushrooms (and are the colour of shiitake mushrooms), and they live in the Mushroom Kingdom. So why would they be chestnuts? Can we remove this unofficial translation until someone can find an in-game quote, manual or reliable source that says they aren't mushrooms? (Fryguy64 15:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]
The Japanese Wiki page quotes the Japanese SMB manual, saying that Goombas are mushrooms, but confusion exists over the chestnut-related name. Regardless, I will remove the above comment from the article. (Fryguy64 09:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Thank you Fryguy64. Why Kuribo would mean chestnut I will never know. I'm still looking for cameos by the way. Angry Sun 15:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of "Kuribô?" 2

Even for Japanese gameplayers, the origin of Kuribō is not as obvious as that of Nokonoko (Koopa Troopa) or Patapata (Koopa Paratroopa). Kuri of its name probably recalls a chestnut to most Japanese, but another possible etymology is kurikuri, which is a word descriptive of spherical appearance. Bō is a suffix which means a person in a certain cituation. For example, akambō (a red person) is a baby and dorobō (a mud person) is a thief (in spoken Japanese, doro (mud) means theft almost only as a component of compound words). In other use, bō means a young boy (botchan is a synonym used more frequently, e.g., "Botchan" of Natsume Soseki). Though, notice that Kuribon in "Super Mario World" is a creature with its shape more similar to a chestnut than Kuribō. Kuribon was created as Kuribō's cousin according to Japanese Goomba article.

It may be true that some Japanese players believe Kuribo is a kuri (chestnut) monster, but it can be also true that other Japanese players know it is actually a mushroom monster probably because, as indicated in this Goomba article, the manual of Super Mario Bros. states that they are betrayers to the Mushroom Kingdom and possibly because there were commics on "Super Mario Bros." 130.54.114.6 14:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Japanese Wiki page for Kuribo, even the Japanese SMB manual says that Kuribo is a Mushroom (Kinoko) that betrayed the Mushroom Kingdom. However it also mentions the confusion between mushroom and chestnut, and that Kuribon (the round Goomba from Super Mario World) is based more on the chestnut.
Anyone get the feeling this isn't going to be resolved any time soon? (Fryguy64 09:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I think chestnut refers to its color, not its shape or what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.20.209 (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any definitive answers on Japanese internet, but a person in this thread suggests the name comes from クリタケ [KURITAKE] which is a popular edible mushroom whose name takes the "KURI" from the word for chestnut (and is written with the same character). This is obviously not evidence but seems a plausible enough story. I think maybe it's best we not have any sort of final declaration in the heading and let it be until some sort of smoking gun is produced. 206.213.209.31 (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Votes for deletion!

Someone nominated this article for deletion! Is this the first time ever in the history of Wikipedia that a featured article has been nominated for deletion? Sjakkalle 12:07, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Probably not. People vfd articles all the time just to prove a point. It's tiresome, but hardly unprcedented. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:38, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

On April 9, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Goomba for a record of the discussion. —Korath (Talk) 02:06, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Goombas in other games

That section looks like it's beginning to collect one-line sentences, an objection that had to be fixed when this was going through the FA candidate process. It looks like it needs rewriting - such as combining the different games and doing a summary or adding more information about goombas in those games. 172.134.29.2 02:39, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'll try and see if I can fix those one sentence paragraphs. I'll need time to research those games because I've never played them. I guess getting this article to FA status was easy, but the hard part is maintaining it's FA quality. Slits 02:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another game to list here is Mickey Mouse & The Castle of Illusion (not sure if that title is exactly correct, I can't find my GameGear case to verify), in Ladder 1, Door 3 (candyland) there were little chocolate drops that looked just like Goombas... --Wulf 02:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That section also says they appeared in Super Smash Bros.. I don't remember that. I know they were in Melee as an enemy, but they never appeared in SSB.RememberMe? 16:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I reread it, and I realized it was a cameo in the background, but is that really important?RememberMe? 16:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Er... how about Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening? And, for that matter, Mario Clash? 91.104.174.233 23:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"Goombas have appeared in five games outside of the Mario series: Super Smash Bros., Super Smash Bros. Melee, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Hotel Mario, which is not considered an official part of the Mario series."

That is only 4 games —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.100.183 (talk) 01:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the archive of the previous featured status removal nomination, Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Goomba/Archive 1, links to the current nomination, Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Goomba. Does someone know how to fix this?--Conrad Devonshire 02:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Sunshine?

Where should the paragraph about Super Mario Sunshine be placed? Under a Super Mario Sunshine series-headline? Since it isn't a series (yet), that would feel awkward much like the term Super Mario 64 series. However, it shouldn't be left sitting right in the middle of the Mario RPG-section. – Cambrant 18:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Featured article icon needs to be removed

This article is no longer a featured article but it still displays the featured status icon on its page. Could an admin please remove this? --Conrad Devonshire Talk 19:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a featured article or not? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_removal_candidates/Goomba/Archive_1 suggests that as of March, it still was... was there another vote?


Goomba's Shoe?

This article states that the Kuribo's Shoe was called Goomba's Shoe in the English translation. As much sense as this makes, I remember the letter from the Princess at the end of World 1 clearly stating that it is "Kuribo's Shoe".

Anyone able to back me up, or am I going crazy? Dazcha 10:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, you're right. In Super Mario Bros. 3, it was Kuribo's Shoe. However, there are two different English NES versions of the game. One of them was closer to the Japanese version (hence Kuribo's Shoe and the World names). However, there was a re-release soon after. Nintendo did some text changes, particularly one of Toad's lines was made grammatically correct ("Miss twice and your out" became "You can only miss twice", using the same amount of characters), Kuribo's Shoe became Goomba's Shoe (which is strange because Jugem's Cloud is kept the same, if I recall correctly), and the World names were unnecessarily changed to the bland Lands that NoA somehow found more attractive than the original names. I also remember one of Peach's letters being ever-so-slightly different. When the game came to Super Mario All-Stars, Nintendo reverted these changes (not sure about Toad's line, though), and even the World names were restored (except Ocean Side became Sea Side for some odd reason, even in the Japanese version). I'm not sure if this is also the case in Super Mario Advance 4 (all I know is that Castle of Kuppa / Koopa became Bowser's Castle, and Peach's speech was changed to a more accurately translated version because the newer generation wouldn't understand the joke as easily).

So, to summarize... Both yes and no. I would say Kuribo's Shoe would be more correct since that's far more common. 208.101.152.167 15:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

Why do we have a picture of a goomba being stomped from world 4 of smb3? It's the only world that goombas are giant, so it seems like an inaccurate depiction. Mattbash 06:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Goombah

Goombah Is traditional Italian-American slang, rarely found off the East Coast of the U.S., for "godfather." It may have taken on the connotation of a "friend" or "associate" in the sense of "fellow Italian-American" but it is basically southern Italian dialect for a male elder who sponsors a child in baptism, as is customary in the Catholic religion. "Goomare" is the feminine. See this interesting article by a veteran student of word meanings at http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19970404. 68.162.8.212 02:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The term Goombah may be inspired by the Hungarian word for mushroom "gomba", or by similar terms in other languages. Pulu (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting

I've trimmed the article by a significant amount to remove any OR or Game Guide material. Please discuss here before trimming the article further. 199.79.36.9 23:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drawing nothing

I've done some searching left and right, and I can't find much real-world information about Goombas. I'm surprised; I'm sure there has been some interview where they describe how this thing was conceived. And I'm sure Goomba has been mentioned in reviews and major polls (I haven't checked yet).

An alternate solution is to change the approach entirely. Have a "Universe of Mario" article, with a lengthy section on enemies. Describe the popular ones (and since it's a general article, there won't be a big need to list appearances after appearances). Redirect all these articles and lists to such an article. Such an article would have much more real-world info; you'd be adding all the major enemies, the famous pipes and locations, evolution of the universe with each game, etc. — Deckiller 02:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched a bit and can't find anything either. Kariteh 17:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goomba Section Deletion

The section on "Concept and Creation" should be about what made Miyamoto think up them. Instead, it talks about some little quip from an instruction manual that was probably theorising-said-as-if-it-was-true by the author of the manual. Nothing except that manual even implied that. Thus, that section should be deleted. I tried to do it myself, but it was changed back. I need more people to help. Who agrees with me? 74.138.7.148 20:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate Article For Goomba Species?

I was thinking that if Koopa's have a seperate article for Koopa species than why not Goomba's? Mr. C.C. 05:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because the existence of this article is hard to justify, even more goomba articles would be worse. There needs to be some references and other such things first. Judgesurreal777 20:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:TWO BELLHOP GOOMBAS.jpg

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BetacommandBot 15:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RIP Goomba

I remember when this was a featured article before the notabillity police destroyed it. 89.240.166.198 (talk) 06:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It got demoted for a lack of quality. It ceasing to be an FA and it being merged are two separate, distinct events. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can I ask how is it that an article goes from one day being a FA to being not worthy of existing the next one? If I was any of the people editing this article, I'd call for an audition in terms of WP:IAR, which clearly states "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." This article contained valuable information, as recognized by it having achieved FA status. Its arguable non-notability is no reason for it to be destroyed. --uKER (talk) 05:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't delisted from FA for notability reasons. However, some felt that it might have been merged for that reason. MuZemike 21:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Double redirect

This article is currently a double redirect. Goomba -> Recurring enemies in the Mario series -> Characters in the Mario series#Recurring enemies. The article in fact should be made to redirect to Characters in the Mario series#Goomba. --uKER (talk) 05:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unmerge Goomba

Per discussion here, does anyone object to an unmerge here? Thanks, Andre (talk) 07:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Voice

I recall somewhere hearing in the old Mario cartoons like Super Mario Bros. Super Show, Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World Goombas talking. Could anyone get the voice actor for it if possible? --Victory93 (talk) 05:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this have it's own article?

I don't understand why Goombas have their own article. Koopas are far more iconic, and more likely to come to EVERYONE'S (not just OG Gamers') mind when they think of the Mario series with no other prompting. Why do Goombas have their own article when even Koopas do not?                     ~Rayvn  07:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RayvnEQ (talk • contribs)

There's really no policy to cite for that, but it's simply that no one wrote it well. The fact of the matter is that someone put the effort into this one. It's not based on fandom, it's based on only the facts that we have. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read the Reception and promotion and you will get your answer. Find that sort of info for Koopas and they can have an article. I would recommend creating a WIP page at User:RayvnEQ/Koopas and show us what you have found. If it works, then we will create the article. If you want to play with the other content besides reception, you can maybe use some of the content here. Blake (Talk·Edits) 01:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A random comment, as to the concept that Koopas would be more well-recognized - Goombas were by and large more prevalent in the last four Mario platformers [save for Sunshine which had neither of them in it]. In fact, 64, Galaxy, and Galaxy 2 had Goombas in nearly every level, while in 64's case, Koopas appeared only a few times. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goomba gif

While it does show the fact that the animation is simplified, its shading and color scheme is not from the NES game. Should I take sprites and build a GIF that shows the SMB NES version? --Addict 2006 01:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Laaate response, but...) Knew it! See below.
Multi Trixes! (Talk - Me on Wikia) 00:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Animation

That animation might not be correct. I'd have to take a look at the game itself, or a few spritesheets. But I may be mistaken.

Multi Trixes! (Talk - Me on Wikia) 00:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Czarkoff (talk · contribs) 12:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Status

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Discussion

Regarding the failing points:

  1. 1(b): the references should follow the same format. The article has a plain URL reference and some other aren't properly formatted.  Done
  2. 1(b): the first paragraph of Reception and promotion section has 8 references stacked together, which seems to be an overkill. Consider using Notes section for grouping such clusters of references when needed.  Done
  3. 2(a): the article has a citation needed tag since December 2009.  Done
  4. 2(a): one of the references has a dead link tag since November 2010.  Done
  5. 2(a): external links checker reveals problems with other references.  Done
  6. 2(a): reference to Nintendo Power (currently #22) lacks "title" attribute.
  7. 2(c): the lead and sections Concept and creation and Appearances seem to be insufficiently referenced. Some of the currently available references could be reused for this purpose.

Comments:

  • Overall, solving these problems is a matter of several hours. But unless this is done, the article doesn't qualify for GA.
  • The article mentions several similar enemies from other games. Though I'm not going to fail the GA on this particular item, I think it should note the corresponding enemy from SuperTux.
  • I did all I could without dropping the status of reviewer. It would be nice if someone could step out to take care of the rest.

Feel free to discuss this all. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 19:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Gu Goomba" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"GOOMBA" listed at Redirects for discussion

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