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view · edit Frequently asked questions Q1: Doesn't Everywhere at the End of Time depict dementia? (Yes, but...) A1: ... Alzheimer's disease is the most common type of dementia, being the cause of over 60% of dementia cases. The titles of Stage 5 reference Alzheimer's disease symptoms, and Kirby has spoken that the album reflects "specific symptoms which can be common with the progression and advancement of the different forms of Alzheimer's." Simply saying "Alzheimer's disease" rather than "dementia" makes for much more precise wording without sacrifing readability, even if "dementia" is sometimes used to avoid repetition. Q2: Should the album's Internet popularity be demonstrated in the lead section? (Yes.) A2: Yes. The lead should mention the album's Internet popularity throughout the early 2020s, including the Friday Night Funkin' mod. The TikTok trend was noted by Kirby in several interviews, and it led to the album amassing a much wider public. The FNF mod establishes notability by demonstrating the album's relevance on media other than music, and all this still keeps the lead concise.

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Article milestones Date Process Result April 14, 2021 Good article nominee Not listed July 13, 2021 Good article nominee Listed August 24, 2021 Peer review Reviewed March 23, 2022 Featured article candidate Promoted A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 1, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the album series Everywhere at the End of Time (2016–2019) by the Caretaker uses ballroom records to depict the stages of Alzheimer's disease? Current status: Featured article

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Daily pageviews of this article A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org Section sizes Section size for Everywhere at the End of Time (19 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 4,256 4,256 Background 1,992 1,992 Music and stages 5,142 19,396 Stages 1–3 6,757 6,757 Stages 4–6 7,497 7,497 Production 2,998 2,998 Artwork and packaging 4,023 4,023 Release and promotion 6,301 6,301 Critical reception 4,976 7,484 Accolades 2,508 2,508 Impact and popularity 5,513 6,791 Scientific response 1,278 1,278 Track listing 4,520 4,520 Personnel 186 186 Release history 2,573 2,573 See also 425 425 Notes 24 24 References 76,105 76,105 External links 954 954 Total 138,028 138,028

Prefixes like A1 etc obviously refer to the side and track of the original vinyls. They're not part of the track title. I propose using Boomkat as a reference, since that's Kirby's handpicked distributor of choice. They omit these prefixes for all formats of the release. https://boomkat.com/products/everywhere-at-the-end-of-time The authoritative Discogs also omits them: https://www.discogs.com/master/1062593-The-Caretaker-Everywhere-At-The-End-Of-TimeTbowler (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The track numbers are often used in discussions of EATEOT online, and omitting them could also cause confusion due to tracks in Stages 4 and 5 sharing titles. Invalid^OS_talk 17:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the Bandcamp and Spotify/Apple Music/etc. releases of Everywhere, they are part of the track title, as are the PA stage indicators (e.g. The full title is "R1 - Stage 6 Place in the World fades away", and not, "Place in the World fades away"). The Boomkat release, while it should definitely be taken into account, is an outlier in nomenclature. I think we should add disclaimers to represent this. A good example is one in the tracklisting section, which states that the "A" in "...A brutal bliss..." is removed, and that it's instead, "Brutal bliss..." Keebruce (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

like i don't think it's that big of a deal that it should be mentioned on top of the article (and there is already information about TikTok and FNF later in the article) Beruta Khaos (talk) 06:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's just showing highlights for why/how it became popular in the first place, which are expounded upon later in the article. It's big enough that it took Everywhere from a niche audience to a fairly large one in comparison. Keebruce (talk) 20:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everywhere, an Empty Bliss was released after stage 5 but before stage 6, even though stage 5 and 6 are grouped together. I think they should be separated. 2600:1001:B110:F6C5:494:FCF:A520:853E (talk) 13:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Despite what the Bandcamp release dates may say, Stage 6 and Everywhere, an empty bliss were released on the same day. It's something that has been discussed in-depth on the Caretaker Discord channel but nobody really knows why albums released on the same day from the same artist on Bandcamp are listed as being [in most cases] 1 day apart, or [in this case] a lot further apart. Keebruce (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name in the YouTube release doesn't appear to be sentence case (Everywhere at the end of time) but rather start case (Everywhere At The End Of Time) --Gert7 (talk · contribs) 18:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. However, the YouTube release is the only release that displays start case other than Boomkat, which already has its own differences from the original. The LEITER release and the Bandcamp release both use sentence case. (The LEITER release is the one which went to all major streaming platforms, including YouTube Music, and features sentence case.) The version in the article title and first sentence should indeed be changed since they adopt neither format and instead use start case except for minor words such as 'at,' 'the,' and 'of.' Keebruce (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know this may seem like a minor complaint, but according to Google Dictionary, a recording in the context of this article can both mean "a recorded broadcast or performance" or "a disc or tape on which sounds or visual images have been recorded." If one states that Everywhere at the end of time is the 11th recording by The Caretaker, then they are wrong because Everywhere at the end of time is The Caretaker's fifteenth recording, and An empty bliss beyond this World is The Caretaker's actual eleventh recording. The article fails to take into account the existence of Recollected memories from the museum of garden history, Recollections from old London town, FACT Mix 45 / The Caretaker and the BBC Radio 6 Guest Mix, which are all recognized as official recordings by [3]https://thecaretaker.fandom.com/wiki/The_Caretaker_Wiki]. To avoid confusion, this should be changed from 'recording' to 'album' or changed to something like:

"Everywhere at the End of Time (commonly shortened to EATEOT) is the eleventh album* and fifteenth recording by the Caretaker, an alias of English electronic musician Leyland Kirby."

I understand that that level of specificity is not necessarily needed, but I would at least like to know what qualifies as a 'recording' and why this nomenclature is not consistent with other album pages such as the one for "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band":

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the eighth studio album by the English rock band the Beatles."

or the page for "HIT ME HARD AND SOFT":

"Hit Me Hard and Soft is the third studio album by American singer-songwriter Billie Eilish, released on May 17, 2024, through Darkroom and Interscope Records."

Thanks!

• From the asterisk: I am not sure whether Everywhere qualifies as a studio album or not since all samples used in the album series were recorded beforehand outside the "studio" of The Caretaker.

Keebruce (talk) 21:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]