Talk:Maelor Saesneg
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Requested move 1 April 2024
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The result of the move request was: moved. The sources furnished appear to corroborate the nominator's argument that Maelor Saesneg is the WP:COMMONNAME in English, and appear to allay the concerns that were raised by the opposing party. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
English Maelor → Maelor Saesneg – WP:COMMONNAME, Google Ngrams shows a long preference that "Maelor Saesneg" is used more in English than "English Maelor", therefore is the common name in English. WP:UE and USEENGLISH state to follow the common name, non-English derived names can be used like Île-de-France if they're the common name. DankJae 15:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 22:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think I'd probably disagree with this one. Historically a lot of reference works have tended to give both names; I've also seen "English Maelor" used alone, and looking at the dates I think the Google Ngrams result is probably heavily swayed by the digitisation of specific works such as issues of Archaeologia Cambrensis.
- Incidentally the original 'English' name for the Maelor is actually Bromfield, as A H Dodd points out, but use of this name isn't exactly common! I note that the Maelor Gymraeg still doesn't have a separate article, so there might just be an argument to combine everything under "Maelor".Svejk74 (talk) 11:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Svejk74, If it helps, the regional archaeology trust,[1] council[2], RCAHMW[3] use the Welsh name, while the national environment agency uses both[4]. So I have seen "Maelor Saesneg" also used alone?
- Bromfield only applied to Welsh Maelor, not English Maelor, which was shortened to "Maylor/Maelor". Considering the two Maelors have spent more time separate, a merge will not be easy, and that there are few sources for Welsh Maelor, is probably why it doesn't have an article. DankJae 11:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Svejk74, expanding it further.
- Google Scholar has 183 MS (13 since 2020) vs 54 EM (5 since 2020)
- Oxford Academic has 41 MS vs 5 EM.
- So clearly
Maelor Saesneg
, even among historical documents. DankJae 18:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Svejk74, expanding it further.
- Note: WikiProject Wales has been notified of this discussion. Natg 19 (talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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