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Requesting change of the third sentence of paragraph 9 in the Legislation subsection of the Activism section (paragraph beginning "In Wyoming, state senator...").

Sentence currently reads:

"Bouchard said the focus on doctors reflects one of Cole's main concerns, namely that schools and doctors convince parents to allow their child to transition..."

Please change to:

"Bouchard said the focus on doctors reflects one of Cole's main concerns, namely her belief that schools and doctors convince parents to allow their child to transition"

In its current form, it implies that is a proven, fully accepted fact schools and doctors are universally, actively engaging in this behavior. It is not a proven, fully accepted fact and should be treated the same way any allegation would be treated. If it was a direct quote from Bouchard that would be a different matter, but it is not, it is a summary of what he said. Sevey13 (talk) 02:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Cole, who turns 20 this month, works as a patient advocate for the new nonprofit Do No Harm, a leader of anti-transgender legislation, and charges up to $5,000 to speak at public events about gender ideology, according to the Young America’s Foundation, which represents conservative personalities such as Ben Shapiro.LATimes
• The organization had lobbyists registered in 2022 in at least three states — Kansas, Missouri and Tennessee — and in Florida in 2023. People associated with the group have appeared as witnesses in statehouses, including Chloe Cole, 18, listed on its website as a “patient advocate” who has spoken to lawmakers about her gender-transition reversal. ... Cole told the Kansas news outlet The Reflector this year that Do No Harm was reimbursing her travel expenses as she testified before state lawmakers. She and her lawyer did not respond to requests for comment from the AP.APNews
• In addition to propping up medical experts, Do No Harm has paid for activist Chloe Cole’s travel when she testifies before state legislatures in support of bans on gender-affirming care for minors, Cole has said. (Cole, reached through her lawyer, did not respond to a request for comment.) Cole, 19, has testified before several legislatures about detransitioning after taking puberty blockers and hormones and having a double mastectomy.Huffpost
• The ADF and conservative media outlets have courted these detransitioners in the U.S. and U.K. (Astor, 2023; O'Donnell, 2020). In several U.S. state legislatures, detransitioner Chloe Cole has supported bans as a member of the patient and physician advocacy group Do No Harm (n.d.)Elsevier Social Science and Medicine
• Other members of the group [Do No Harm] include plastic surgeon Dr. Richard Bosshardt, a fellow with FAIR in Medicine; podcaster, therapist and GETA member Stephanie Winn; ACPeds member Miriam Grossman; and anti-trans detransition activist Chloe Cole.SPLC and One of LiMandri’s current clients is detransitioner Chloe Cole of the group Do No Harm, who has also traveled the country testifying against gender-affirming care in recent years.SPLC
• Los Angeles based journalist Lil Kalish reported that Cole spoke as an advocate for Do No Harm, a group of conservative medical professionals who are skeptical of gender-affirming care, and presented the proposal on behalf of the National Legal and Policy CenterLA Blade

Chloe Cole has been widely reported in RS to be a paid patient advocate for Do No Harm (organization) for years now. This article doesn't mention DNH once. Does anyone object to mentioning this? Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t but you may want to keep it to the first three sources and the SPLC. More ironclad in terms of reliability. Snokalok (talk) 20:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assigned Media is not a particularly BLP-reliable source, so the content sourced to it getting removed was probably for the best.

How do we feel about citing the original interview[1] that AM pulled from? Since it’s words spoken by Cole herself, it should satisfy BLP sourcing requirements. Snokalok (talk) 23:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The San Francisco Chronicle incorrectly cites Cole's lawsuit for its claim that she said she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria at age nine. The lawsuit states that Cole received a diagnosis "indicating an 'encounter for school problem'" at nine years old, but there is nothing to suggest this diagnosis was gender dysphoria. A date for Cole's gender dysphoria diagnosis is not given in the lawsuit.^[1]

Hecknogmos (talk) 15:09, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quoted from the cited article, "At just 9 years old, Chloe began suffering from gender dysphoria. She first expressed her struggle with gender dysphoria to her pediatrician when she was 12 years old." The suggested change omits Chloe's self-diagnosis.

I recommend, "Cole says that she first expressed gender dysphoria when was 9 years old, and disclosed her condition to her pediatrician at age 12. The lawsuit claims that between the ages of 13 and 16 years old, Kaiser Permanente physicians placed Chloe on puberty blockers, off-label cross-sex hormone treatment, and performed a double mastectomy on her to remove her breasts." This prose is supported by the cited source. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated per self-recommendation. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly modified your change as you have her 'expressing' gender dysphoria at 9 and 'disclosing' it to her doctor when 12. I've changed those to 'experiencing' and 'discussing with'. Pincrete (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pincrete Thank you! Good edit. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find any WP:RS that covered her recent announcement re: Trump; per WP:TWITTER, does this fall into rule #2 about a third party? I'm wondering if we should exclude it for now (until such time a RS decides to report on it)? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few of the recent additions are sourced to primary sources and probably should be reverted. For example, quite a bit of the newly added material is only sourced to a court filings. I think this along with the inclusion of her legal name was already discussed and rejected. Springee (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a strong feeling either way, it's not very controversial given Cole's activism, but I'm at AN/I for boomerang at the moment and don't want to ruffle any other feathers. If another editor feel it doesn't belong I'm not going to object to removal. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If she were actively campaigning for a candidate, I could see it as worth recording, but this is simply recording a voting intention and I don't think deserves to be recorded - especially as it is self-sourced. I will remove.Pincrete (talk) 05:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]