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Reviewer: Kees08 (talk · contribs) 16:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Images
File:Official NASA portrait Charles Moss Duke Jr.jpg - {{Information}} on Commons nice but not requiredFile:Apollo-16-LOGO.png - permission makes it look like a personality rights issue. Could add the insignia template and the astronaut crew patch template we have been individually adding to each patch, like in File:Apollo_15-insignia.pngFile:Duke, Lovell and Haise at the Apollo 11 Capcom, Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas - 19690720.jpg - Source link shouldn't be a direct link to the image, but the page that contains itFile:Moon Buggy Ap16-KSC-71PC-777.jpg Source file?File:Charlie Duke (left), John Young, and Ken Mattingly pose with the 1-g LRV trainer in the area at the Cape where the crews practised geology procedures.jpg - caption is copyrighted. NASA ID (KSC-72PC-133) would be useful to note- Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Copyrighted caption still there Kees08 (Talk) 16:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- It was changed. Note the GA criteria: Any images used should be appropriate to the article, have captions and free licenses or valid fair use rationales. Note that beyond ensuring it has a free [sic] licence, there is no further requirement. Nobody on Wikipedia can be asked to do any work on Commons. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:08, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Copyrighted caption still there Kees08 (Talk) 16:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
File:Lunar Module Pilot Charles Duke salutes the flag.jpg - same direct link comment; may have same copyright comment, tho it is a short phrase and maybe not copyrightable. Same NASA ID comment.File:Duke on the Craters Edge - GPN-2000-001132.jpg - source link brokenFile:DUKE - AS16-117-18841.jpg - same direct link comment, not sure on caption copyright based on that link.File:Charlie Duke.jpg - can we crop the copyright off of this?- It is illegal for an American to do so under the DMCA. I'm not an American, so I could, but I'm not going to. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Can you link the policy or law for this? Kees08 (Talk) 16:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- meta:Wikilegal/Removal of watermarks from Commons images. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. Looks like we probably could since it is under CC, but since Wikimedia legal will not provide legal assistance or legal advice, best not to touch it. The uploader looks like an active Wikimedian if you feel inclined to ask them, but you do not have to. Kees08 (Talk) 16:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- meta:Wikilegal/Removal of watermarks from Commons images. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Can you link the policy or law for this? Kees08 (Talk) 16:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- It is illegal for an American to do so under the DMCA. I'm not an American, so I could, but I'm not going to. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
All images reviewed for copyright. Kees08 (Talk) 16:36, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
What do you think of the Naval Academy photo? I created that one myself. I found the pic of his test pilot class on Commons, but it was not tagged with any of the astronauts. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Actually I had spent a lot of time reviewing that one, specifically looking for if Lucky Bag was considered PD or not. I did not see anything that indicated that it was. The military photos we have are all similar though, and we did receive a response which is somewhat documented in the deletion request. Not sure if we can have any military portraits like those until they fall into the public domain. Kees08 (Talk) 16:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- References
- EVA time in infobox differs from article
- Yeah. Set it to what the article says. I've checked Orloff, Wilde and Portee, and everyone is agreed that the surface EVAs were 20:14, and then there was another 1:23 minutes on the way back, making 21:38. Going with that. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Would be nice if we could find a reference where the source was clearer, since we do not know what newspaper this was scanned from. Do better references exist? "Willie Catherine Duke: Was DAR state regent". www.familysearch.org. Retrieved December 7, 2019.- FindaGrave has one from the Charlotte Observer. [1] 19:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Combine this with the other citation (41 and 47 on the version I am reviewing) "James May Speaks to Charles Duke". BBC Archive. Retrieved December 8, 2019.Add Jones as the author "ALSEP Off-load". Apollo 16 Lunar Surface Journal. NASA. Retrieved December 11, 2019.Access date formatted differently Stryker Brothers (August 28, 2018), #SearchForTheStrykers from Astronaut, Charlie Duke (Part One), retrieved July 24, 2019Emmis Communications, Communications, Emmis. Seems a little redundant, formatting on this ref can be improved. Communications, Emmis (February 1988). Texas Monthly. Emmis Communications. p. 119.I think you can replace "Professional Profile". Charlieduke.net. Archived from the original on August 21, 2012. Retrieved May 13, 2015. with "Astronaut Bio: Charles Duke 05/94". NASA Johnson Space Center. Archived from the original on December 17, 2016. Retrieved July 17, 2013. when citing the flying hours, since the information likely came from that bio.
- Prose
Will mostly be making changes like the ones I have made already, let me know if you object to any.
This sounds odd to my ear, sentence is a little long/rambling He served as CAPCOM for Apollo 11, the first crewed landing on the Moon, where his distinctive Southern drawl became familiar to audiences around the world as the voice of a Mission Control made nervous by a long landing that almost expended all of the lunar module Eagle's fuel.Classwork one or two words? class work andAgain was used at the end of the previous paragraph, maybe rephrase one to avoid the repetition Once again, Duke had his choice of assignments,Rephrase this: He applied to do an aeronautical engineering at North Carolina State UniversityCapitalize Master of Science in its master of science degreeCapitalize Master of Science his master of science degreeCould replace 'seeking to recruit' with 'recruiting' NASA announced that it was seeking to recruit aShould the 'for's be there? astronaut selections in progress: for NASA and for the USAF's Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL) program.- Should this be rephrased to be that if both accepted him he had to join MOL, or something similar? Not sure what the intent is without analyzing the sources He told Duke that he could apply for both, but if he did, MOL would take him.
- Nominations to NASA had to come through Air Force channels, so it got to pre-screen them. He would only get one offer, and that would be from MOL.
Any way to avoid using of so much here? Astronaut training included four months of studies of subjectsBelieve this should be '12' and twelve on- MOS:NUMERAL:
Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- MOS:NUMERAL:
Believe there is a wiki article for rocket combustion instability 1966 indicated combustion instability.Missions (plural)? The pace of the early Apollo mission meant that multiple crewsWith no signs of life on the Moon would sound more scientific, but indifferent, your choice with no signs of Moon germs- Teflon gets capitalized right? I believe it is in the Apollo 13 article at least. CM's teflon fuel tank
- Teflon is a trade mark, but probably shouldn't be. Capitalised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Reading through Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Trademarks makes me think it should be capitalized unless you can highlight something specifically that says it should not be. Kees08 (Talk) 22:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Teflon is a trade mark, but probably shouldn't be. Capitalised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
I think liftoff is either one word or two words, non hyphenated, unless used in a situation like 'the lift-off vibrations' (if you are using two words) under 12 minutes after lift-off
Not sure nearly is the right word, perhaps 'could have been' It was nearly a fatal accident;British spelling 2,238,598 kilometresDAB page John D. RyanLowercase 'as' where, As of December 2019, he and wife Dotty remain.
- General
Seems pretty random His mother traced her ancestry back to Colonel Philemon Berry Waters, who fought in the American Revolutionary War.- Goes to his involvement in the Sons of the American Revolution. Others editors thought it was important enough to link him from that article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Not sure 'as a local boy' is needed. As a first step, Duke went to see his local Congressman, James P. Richards, who lived in Lancaster, and Richards said that he would be pleased to give Duke his nomination, as a local boy.Seems pretty trivial They went to Jamaica for their honeymoon, but came down with food poisoning.
@Hawkeye7: Just the last couple of points above and we can finish this up. Kees08 (Talk) 22:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)