Talk:Bonnie and Clyde (film)

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References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

*Desilet, Gregory (2005). "Modern 'Noir' Melodrama: Bonnie and Clyde". Our Faith in Evil: Melodrama and the Effects of Entertainment Violence. McFarland. pp. 288–298. ISBN 078642348X.

Movie and reality

I think the discussion of the discrepency between the movie and reality (especially talk of the real Bonnie and Clyde as "ruthless killers" and Frank Hamer as "brave and just") should be removed... or moved to the page about the _real_ Bonnie and Clyde. It should be replaced with more attention to the effect this film had on American cinema and its positioning within the American "counter-culture" movement of the 1960's This is no longer in the article. Onel5969 (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


So: Is this one any good? ---> http://dvd.ciao.co.uk/Bonnie_and_Clyde__Review_5473761

In the 1973 film John Dillinger is shown firing a BAR during a gunbattle with police; in fact a weopon of choice for the Dillinger gang was the .45 Thompson machine gun; by an unentional irony the Dillinger film was inspired by the 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde (film) which was based on the Clyde Barrow-Bonnie Parker gang-in which Barrow gang is shown firing a .45 Thompson machine gun at police; in fact a weopon of choice for Clyde Barrow was the BAR! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.5.87.62 (talk) 16:07, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

R rated

i heard this was the first movie the mpaa gave an R rating should we mention this in the article

Actually, the movie was given an M rating for it's re-release. At the time, violence and male rear nudity was more acceptable to show to children. Blooshoe 15:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the biased description of historical figures; made short new "differences" section

Would be nice if somebody could expand the cinematic history of the film.

Removed the line mentioning that this movie was parodied by Mad Magazine

- this is already mentioned in the "Bonnie and Clyde" (non-monvie) article - mentioning this in the opening paragraphs of this movie page is as rediculous as going to the Wikipedia pages of every movie that has been parodied by Saturday Night Live, and writing that such was done in the opening paragraphs of the respective movie Wikipedia pages. - if anything, there should be a "Pop Culture" section that would mention this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.48.117 (talk) 09:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The music that was not included in the film

Hans Brüggener

Was the fantastic score by gifted young composer Charles Strouse. He understood and musically portrayed the many different aspects of Bonnie and Clyde; from love and tenderness, through joy and excitement to horror, panic, escape - and death. The score was utterly dramatic and in the great tradition of composers like Leonard Rosenman and Bernard Herrmann. While it is fortunate that the silence in many of the scenes in Bonnie and Clyde allowed to contrast against the sounds of gunfire or other loud noises, or give the better (last third) of the film a dreamy, hazy tone, it is likely that the original score would have taken away some of the hillbilly image - that really didn't have anything to do with the story or with Bonnie and Clyde; it is highly unlikely that the real life Bonnie and especially not Clyde would have thought much of "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" - it would have rendered the movie a musical background that might have done for the film what Leonard Rosenmans music did for "Rebel Without A Cause" or "East of Eden". Simply a great achivement. It should be noted that Strouse did an alternative version of "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" that is much more suitable than the one used in the film; it is powerful, suggests drama and eroticism as well as violence. And would have suited the notion one critic had: "(the film)leaves us with a tragic awareness of the terrible things people do to each other". --Hans G Brüggener

Hans G Brüggener, be advised that this terrific soundtrack has recently (finally!) been released on CD on the Collector's Choice Music label. And indeed, its alternative version of "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" is much more suitable than the one in the film -- powerful, dramatic and erotic, yessir. --HarringtonSmith (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS; Thank you, HarringtonSmith. I was fortunate to get the soundtrack album on LP back in 1974, and analyzed it from a dramatical/musical

viewpoint. I have the CD too, and even though I am happy it has been released, I miss the full, rich sound of the original LP. Neverless, this is music to remember. Thanks for posting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Brüggener (talk • contribs) 20:36, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section removed

I removed the following verboten trivia section from the article. I'm posting it here in case someone can justify keeping the last two items (the first two are extremely trivial and should be deleted altogether). Kinkyturnip (talk) 17:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think that the two first items should be deleted, while the last two - of which one is written by me - contains information relevant to the subject, and to a deeper understanding of the phenomena which Penn's "Bonnie & Clyde" poses, as a work of art. There is more to it than meets the eye, and ear. I remember that the music played a great part in how the film was percieved and the impact it had - both upon its premiere and during the 1974 revival. The fact that I bought the LP and before I had even seen the film, was attracted to it and analyzed the music, as well as the fact that it is now available on CD only add substance to the article about "Bonnie and Clyde" I think there is a good reason to keep our comments upon Charles Strouse's musical interpretation of Bonnie and Clyde.

Best wishes,

HGBHans BrüggenerHGB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Brüggener (talk • contribs) 20:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany

*The association of bluegrass music with chase scenes, originating in this movie, has been followed in other films, such as Midnight Run.


  • The Bollywood film Bunty aur Babli, starring Abhishek Bachchan and Rani Mukherji, is a loose remake of Bonnie and Clyde.

Uh... REMAKE ANYONE

Seriously? No mention of the remake under development right now? Honestly? Confirmed and reported by multiple news sources and commented on publicly by both Faye Dunaway AND Warren Beatty? Okay... uh... sure then... okay... Miketanton (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the remake is so important to you, Miketanton, why not open a new article about it? --HarringtonSmith (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since the remake does not seem to have been made, is this relevant any more? The 2013 A&E mini-series does not appear to be a remake, but simply a retelling of the historical figure. Onel5969 (talk) 18:05, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed reference to performer "Soulja Boy Tellem'"

I removed reference to the performer "Soulja Boy Tellem'" in the article. It was some rambling post about how said performer likes to make reference to Bonnie & Clyde in his songs, but that he isn't really like the real Clyde Barrow. I didn't think this had any reason to be in an article about the film, since "Soulja Boy Tellem'" is obviously not an actor or performer in this film, and his mention of Bonnie & Clyde in his works is irrelvent with regards to this film. 76.178.134.37 (talk) 14:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Summary section

We're all being too polite -- this section really needs a ground-up rewrite!--HarringtonSmith (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Addition to Cast section

Editor King Cobb persists in adding a note in this section that the C.W. Moss character is based on W.D. Jones and Henry Methvin in real life. The "Cast" section is not about the creation and development of the roles, it is about who is cast in those roles. If we discuss the background of each character, then we should also include "Ivan Moss based on Ivy Methvin," "Eugene Grizzard based on H. Dillard Darby" and "Velma Davis based on Sophie Stone." For that matter, the Barrows and Hamer of the film are only based on their historical counterparts; perhaps they should be disclaimed, too. The better place for discussing the Jones/Methvin/Moss character's development (not casting) is in the "Historical Inaccuracies" section -- where it already is discussed.

I seek consensus here that this note should stay removed from the "Cast" section. --HarringtonSmith (talk) 16:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion of sources to be incorporated

— P. S. Burton (talk) 22:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Impotence theme, historical accuracy of

I read a quote somewhere, I *think* by Clyde's brother (was there more than one?), that Clyde wasn't impotent, and if so that ought to be treated in the "Historical Accuracy" section of the article. Note that in the "Production" section they describe impotence/bisexuality as if it were more of a contrivance added by the writers.

Added a discussion of this topic in the Historical Accuracy section. Onel5969 (talk) 18:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • After Bonnie and CW join up with Clyde in a Bank robbery scene Clyde shoots a Bank manager and exclaims that this was the first time he had shot a man; in fact besides a man Clyde had killed in jail-Clyde was a suspect in several killings after he had meet Bonnie: Deputy Sherriff Eugene Moore August 5, 1932; Doyle Johnson December 1932; Deputy Sherriff Malcolm Davis January 6, 1933.
  • At the Joplin Missouri shootout Buck Barrow claims to have killed three officers; in fact two were killed: Joplin Police Detective Harry L. McGinnis and Newton County Constable John Harryman April 13, 1933
  • At the Dexfield Park, Iowa ambush Buck Barrow is shown as having died of his wounds from the fight at the Red Crown Tourist Court July 18, 1933 five days before; in fact he died after surgery of pneumonia; likewise Clyde is shown killing a deputy sherriff during the escape from the park; the gunfight with the posse resulted in no casualites for the posse {see Blanche Barrow although in fact Clyde and Methvin were involved in the killing of two Texas Highway patrolmen April 1, 1934 and the killing of Constable William Campbell April 6, 1934 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.242.65 (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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