Talk:Anneke Lucas
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== Sources that are not reliable, secondary sources == Here are the citations that I have removed because they are not reliable, secondary sources. Please note three things:
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Work in progress.—CaroleHenson (talk) 01:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC) == Content I'm unable to find sources for ==
--—CaroleHenson (talk) 19:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
review (Flemish): https://ronnydeschepper.com/2010/07/04/de-dove-muzikant-door-anneke-lucas/ seller (Dutch): https://www.hebban.nl/boeken/de-dove-muzikant-a-lucas (removed link, book sold out: http://www.omero.nl/auteurs/l/u/lucas/de-dove-muzikant/) References
== Finding reliable, independent secondary sources == Copy of a post I made at WP:Articles for deletion/Anneke Lucas:
Dear Carole,
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Merge to Positive criminology
As mentioned above, the AfD decision was to merge to the positive criminology article. This also included merging Prison Yoga Project, and James Fox (prison reform advocate) articles to Positive criminology. The content was moved with this edit.—CaroleHenson (talk) 12:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
This is pathetic
You have vaporized an entire article about a woman because she spoke publicly about her childhood experiences. Since when would recorded, voluntary firsthand accounts not suffice to substantiate allegations, much less justify the elimination of an entire article that had already been in existence for months? This is flat-out censorship due to the sensitivity of the topic of child sex trafficking, and the corruption is transparent. Had the difficulty been inability to substantiate the claim, all that would have been required would have been the removal of the reference to her claim. Instead, you have chosen to wipe the memory of her from the website. Shameful conduct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.163.215 (talk) 09:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
- It does not sound as if you have read the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Anneke Lucas. The reason that the article was merged had nothing to do with her childhood experiences.
- If you look at the discussion, and the Talk:Positive criminology page, you will see that Prison Yoga Project and James Fox (prison reform advocate) were also merged into the articles due to WP:GNG and other reasons. In the case of Lucas, part of the issue was proving her notability according to WP guidelines and there was a lack of reliable, independent secondary sources. Please also see the issues with the sources that were used for the article. No one replied with better sources and I spent quite some time looking.—CaroleHenson (talk) 13:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because it contains reliable sources and a significant story about a woman who was trafficked. The woman is an activist and is a champion for gender equality and it should be considered. --GretaIndie (talk) 11:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Discussion posted at user talk page
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Hello Carole,
Is there any political motivation behind your decision to delete Anneke Lucas' article?
Please give me your phone number.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GretaIndie (talk • contribs) 11:43, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
- I am confused about why you are posting this on my page. I wasn't the person who nominated the article for deletion, nor the one that closed the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anneke Lucas. In fact, I tried to see if I could save the article, but found that there were not reliable, independent secondary sources to establish general notability. So, that's why I voted to "delete". There are others that voted to delete as well.
- It wasn't merged into Positive criminology in a vacuum. Prison Yoga Project and the one about the person who started that organization were also merged into that article.
- Lastly, no, my vote was not at all politically motivated. I have no idea what that means in this case, this article wasn't a political article.—CaroleHenson (talk) 15:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Request edit on 16 April 2024
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Why is her story deleted? Completely unacceptable. Good to know that wikipedia also sensors what they assume the public does not know. 160.93.12.5 (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anneke Lucas for why this page was redirected. Primefac (talk) 16:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)