Talk:Androgen replacement therapy

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Why is "Methods of Delivery" (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Androgen_replacement_therapy&action=edit&section=7) sandwiched in between entries in the "Adverse Effects" section ?

I've added this to the Hormone replacement therapy disambiguation page.Skookum1 (talk) 16:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

there's a big difference between what a medicine can be prescribed for and/or what a particular doctor or medical establishment recommends or is willing to do. I agree with this edit though I haven't read the ref. Just because the accepted use in North America does not include the other indications mentioned doesn't mean that's a global verdict; and sure enough there were times in the past when it was prescribed for things other than low testosterone levels (in fact in the '60s it was prescribed as a standard anti-depressant for men, though I'd have to find a cite for that). The allegation that this is a multiple article POV campaign is itself POV by dint of only wanting to talk about what Canadian/US doctors are willing to prescribe it for. Not German doctors, not Russian doctors etc. (in Australia deca-durabolin is, for instance, prescribed as a male contraceptive, or was at any rate). Telling only one side of the story to the exclusion of others, now that's POV.Skookum1 (talk) 19:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm perfectly agree. Someone can not accept testosterone replacement therapy vs diseases like osteoporosis or diabetes mellitus, even if many scientific articles confirm that. I would like to see the citations of testosterone against depression (indeed depression is a symptom of hypogonadism) during sixties.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know I saw it on a medical site long ago; it may be on http://www.andropause.com but there must be other literature on it out there, I'll see what turns up. Re osteoporosis one steroid definitely used in its treatment is oxymetholone (Anadrol), which I also remember big full-page ads in the Village Voice targeting AIDS patients re combatting muscle-wasting.....from Winthrop I think; that would have been around 1999-2000, which is when I was last in New York...Skookum1 (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Italy testosterone and nandrolone are accreditated and labelled as anti-osteoporosis drugs too. Anyway good insertion!--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be better to call the article "Testosterone replacement therapy" because there are many types of androgen replacement therapies, for example mesterolone (Proviron) is not testosterone, but it is always an androgen replacement therapy.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC) Absolutely agree here. Also testosterone replacement therapy is the usage known by readers.[reply]

If you are going to write an article or edit a pre-existing one please include citations. Even the first line of this article has no citation (and personally I question its validity). If no citations are added I am going to butcher out all the 'opinions' in this article and leave it with only facts and objective content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynicle (talk • contribs) 13:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I got here from a link on another page and some of the statements appear downright dangerous. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The first line of any article (or any other line in the lead) should not have a citation. But the info should be elaborated upon and cited in the body. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tempted to delete the "overlapping testosterone circulation between the sexes" claim unless someone can back it up with recent numbers. Everything I've seen shows that a healthy male on the low end of the testosterone range produces many times more than a healthy female on the high end. Anybody? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.192.196 (talk) 17:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's a highly dubious claim and no citation has been provided. The difference in means among young people is well over an order of magnitude. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone claim there's any overlap whatsoever among healthy, natural people regardless of age (i.e. excluding eunuchs, people with major endocrinological disorders, and any other exceptional cases). The assertion is unsupported and likely false, and thus I'm deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.197.83.95 (talk) 11:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced, moving here per VERIFY

History

Male hormones are called androgens from Greek words andro meaning man, and gen meaning giving birth to. Primary among them is the natural hormone testosterone, which is produced in the testes, ovaries and adrenals. Females also produce testosterone in the adrenals and as a precursor to estrogen, but the amount of circulating testosterone is generally far less than in males. Both sexes also produce an androgen precursor called dihydroepiandrostene (DHEAS) from which the body can make androgens. Androgens cause the secondary sex characteristics of males: facial hair, thicker skin, low body fat, deeper voice, muscularity, penis and scrotal growth and darkening, broad shoulders, body hair, erection of the penis, etc. With increasing age, testosterone production declines, and many of these changes start to reverse.

The decline with age in the physical characteristics of men has given rise to a term, andropause, derived from the term menopause. Menopause is literally defined as the permanent pausing of menstruation, but "menopause" as a medical rather than a physiological condition marks the decline of estrogen and, as with andropause, has given rise to medical treatments to avert such a lowering of the female hormone. Another term used is "progressive androgen deficiency of the aging male" (PADAM).

-- Jytdog (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this paragraph from the diabetes section:

Management guidelines for diabetes developed by expert groups in Europe and the United States are to some extent at odds with more recent Canadian consensus guidelines.^[1][2]

1. ^ Woo, V (2009). "Important differences: Canadian Diabetes Association 2008 clinical practice guidelines and the consensus statement of the American Diabetes Association and the European Association for the Study of Diabetes". Diabetologia. 52 (3): 552–3, author reply 554–5. doi:10.1007/s00125-008-1236-0. PMID 19107458.
2. ^ Nathan, DM; Buse, JB; Davidson, MB; Ferrannini, E; Holman, RR; Sherwin, R; Zinman, B; American Diabetes, Association; European Association for the Study of Diabetes (2009). "Medical management of hyperglycaemia in type 2 diabetes mellitus: A consensus algorithm for the initiation and adjustment of therapy: A consensus statement from the American Diabetes Association and the European Association for the Study of Diabetes". Diabetologia. 52 (1): 17–30. doi:10.1007/s00125-008-1157-y. PMID 18941734.

Because the sources seem not to mention anything relevant to this article. Am I missing something?

@CFCF: You're going to have to be more specific. This is the second time you've reverted a number of edits, some of them obviously correct (like adding notification templates), without explanation. I used MEDRS sources. Explain. Exercisephys (talk) 07:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion was raised at my talk page, I responded there. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 08:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are many problems with this article, which contains errors and omits important info.

The most immediate improvement would be to add a citation for a new meta-analysis in a high-quality journal. Here's a suggested sentence:

In men with low testosterone, use of testosterone replacement therapy improves a man's erectile function (ability to get erections of the penis) and increases a man's sexual desire and sexual satisfaction but it can also cause erythrocytosis (too many red blood cells). ^[1]

Here's a link to the Ponce article https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/103/5/1745/4939466?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Sbelknap (talk) 22:00, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This user has a TBAN on all topics and discussions related to sexual health. An admin might want to take a look at this and possibly remove/ report. Jojomuju (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]