Talk:12 step treatment

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Brim--giving a redirect to a page which does not even mention the existence of 12 step treatment is not very informative. I have eliminated the sarcasm. But the history of 12 step treatment is an important subject which people should be aware of. Pork Chop Tze 06:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Creating a redirect from an article concerning 12 step treatment to a page which makes no mention of 12 step treatment is a clear case of VANDALISM as defined by wikipedia. If this happens again it shall be reported as such. Pork Chop Tze 01:16, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected this page to Twelve-step program again. I looked through the history, but admittedly did not look here first (sigh). I am unsure why Pork Chop Tze considers "12 step treatment" to be different from "Twelve-step program" as the article outlines the twelve steps, as well as providing detailed references. I would think that actual "treatment" falls way ( WAY ) outside the scope of an encyclopedia.--Bookandcoffee 02:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So are we to provide a link to diabetes as a disease and no link to insulin as a treatment because "treatment falls out of the scope of an encyclopedia"????

Come on and get real. Hazelden makes millions pretending to treat addiction--yet cannot prove its cure rates are better than spontaneous remission.

If you wish to defend treatment as doing something positive--do so in print. Do not try to pretend it does not exist by using redirects.

Pork chop tze 21:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]