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Combining logos

Can someone who has a photoshop program combine the original and current logos of the series, in the same manner of .png that's been done in the Souls (series) article? Osh33m (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Original research & addition sources template messages

The only thing I added was a Characters section, why is it for that reason you found it necessary to add that it is original research and that more sources are necessary? Everything I wrote there is true. The character's fictional age, the number of protagonists, it's all true. I can't go through the trouble of finding sources because a lot of the information is in-game. But the information is there. Please remove the template messages. Osh33m (talk) 14:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a valid reason to remove an OR/Source tag. Either add sources, or keep the tags. Or go edit a wikia. Sourcing is non-negotiable on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 18:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well then maybe Wikipedia's rules aren't perfect. Osh33m (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay? Until you get them changed, you've gotta follow them. Sergecross73 msg me 21:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, you know they're never going to get changed if people like you are going to stay stuck in the past. Osh33m (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and similarly, people like you, who are too lazy to provide sources for their own work, certainly aren't going to bother even trying to propose changing the rules, which is just as well, as your ideas aren't anymore than "trust me" and "let me do whatever I want". So yes, we can drop that discussion, and cut to the chase. Like them or not, follow the rules. If you willingly go against them, you'll be blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 17:34, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You call me lazy here, so, first of all, are you ignoring all the additions I have added to this page? The table for all the Yakuza games, I spent all of my free time doing that. Who was being lazy then? Where were you for that? You're ignoring everything that I've done to try and make this and every other page better. And that's just talking about this page. And second of all, I have said to you at least three times that because this game is biggest in Japanese with very little coverage in the west - just now getting some with the new installments, that the only such sources are the games themselves. I could look through YouTube playthroughs and link them, but wikipedia is not fond of using them as sources. Osh33m (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares? If you can't source and verify it, two of the basic tenets of Wikipedia, it does not matter. The majority of the info you added is better suited for the Yakuza wikia, as was already presented to you on another post. And you claim that it's "big" in Japan, meaning Japanese coverage on it should be "big" too, and those sources can used per WP:NONENG, yet you have made no effort on that as far as I can tell. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

None of that is a valid reason for not adding sources. Add sources. The end. Sergecross73 msg me 01:16, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no end to this. I'll repeat this as many times as I have to to get it through your head. The sources don't exist because there is little coverage of this series online other than playthroughs. You're just choosing not to care. But I care. And if this is the way Wikipedia is run then it's simply a weak point of the system. Osh33m (talk) 03:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shin Ryu ga Gotoku

I have several issues with this, so I'll just cut to it: 1. The article states that the game is in development for PS4. There is no site anywhere that confirms this. No actual PS4 game has been announced (even if it probably is in development, but that's OR). 2. The game is sectioned as a main title. This isn't true. There are multiple sources that declare it as a spin-off, because it features the new protagonist. It will be canon, yes, but it won't be Yakuza 7. It will launch a new series that RGG Studios and Sega probably hope will be a successor to the current games, but so far it should be handled as a spin off. 3. The nature of the project seems unclear. THere seems to be the conception that they announced two games: Ryu ga Gotoku Online and Shin Ryu ga Gotoku. However, from the live presentation it seems that Shin Ryu ga Gotoku is actually an umbrella term for multiple upcoming projects, the first of which is Ryu ga Gotoku Online. Again, it is likely we will get a PS4 game down the line, but nothing has been announced, yet. And it got misquoted and mistranslated. There are only announcements for Ryu ga Gotoku Online which is part of the "New" Yakuza story (Shin Ryu ga Gotoku). Though admittedly, I don't have sources on that. MAybe someone knows japanese and can translate that part of the live event? Anyway here are the sources for the game being a Spin-off:

http://yakuzafan.com/kazuga-ichiban-new-protagonist-ryu-ga-gotoku-online-shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/

And for not being specifically being announced for PS4, yet:

http://segabits.com/blog/tag/shin-ryu-ga-gotoku/

http://www.dualshockers.com/yakuza-online-announced/

At least the PS4 remark should be changed. Also that the game is a spin-off.2003:E0:6BE7:8411:809:6EAB:AB78:C5B9 (talk) 21:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Original research and addition sources removal

I think it's time we removed those warnings on the article. Those were only there because of the characters section that nobody wanted but since then there have been sources added to that section. Everything written there is backed up and verified. So if there are no objections, I'm moving those tags. Osh33m (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Naming Conventions

So, as per WP:NCVG: Use the most commonly accepted English name first, if one exists. This is usually the official title in the initial English release, but not always. Subtitles and pre-titles are allowed if deemed appropriate but are not necessary and pre-titles should be replaced once an official title has been announced. In the case of the Yakuza games, these are the official English titles and should be used in the list, since they are also used for the other sections in the article as well as the individual articles themselves. As a matter of fact, many of the individual articles use unofficial names, such as Yakuza Kenzan and therefore violate WP:NCVG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E0:6F4F:1E11:71F5:8B4F:E710:36B0 (talk) 21:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All of the pages are listed with their english titles. Yakuza (video game), Yakuza 2, Yakuza 3, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yakuza 4, Yakuza 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza 6: The Song of Life, and Yakuza Kiwami. In fact, that is what the timeline is for. The table on the other hand is to compile all of the installments in their original releases, hence why the section includes the original logo as well. You also did not fix the notes when you reverted. Please don't do it again. Osh33m (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I'm not the one who changed the titles of the spinoffs, like Yakuza Kenzan. If you take issue with that then it's for those individual talk pages. Osh33m (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First, I didn't think you were responsible for the page names, I just wanted to point out another issue that needs work. Second, what is the reason that the table has to use the original Japanese titles? You haven't given one. On the other hand, I can give you three reasons against: 1. It violates naming conventions as per WP:NCVG, which - as I said before - states that the most commonly accepted English name should be used primarily. For these games, this is not the Ryu ga Gotoku title (which is technically in itself a transcription and therefore only an approximation of the actual title which is written in Kanji and Hiragana), but Yakuza. 2. Suddenly using the Japanese titles of the games with no explanation, is just confusing for the average reader, especially since everywhere else in the article and even on their respective pages, the games are referred to their English titles. 3. No other page does this. Typically, the English title is listed at all times and sometimes, the original title is referred to in a note or, if a title does not have an English title, it uses the original as a substitute. Please, don't change the page back. Give reasons, discuss, help me improve the inaccuracies.2003:E0:6F4F:1E78:30C9:9E7C:252F:F847 (talk) 10:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did give you reason. It's for congruency. Since none the spinoffs were localized and the localized versions had different release dates, the table shows the original uniform titles in the series. And it doesn't violate WP:NCVG because the pages themselves Yakuza (video game), Yakuza 2, Yakuza 3, Yakuza: Dead Souls, Yakuza 4, Yakuza 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza 6: The Song of Life, and Yakuza Kiwami all have the localized titles showing. And furthermore the timeline has them in their localized titles as well; the only titles that were localized. So there is no reason to change the table. Don't revert it again. Osh33m (talk) 19:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As for the unofficial titles in the spinoff games, I asked in the talk page of Kenzan and the reply was, copy pasting, that under WP:COMMONNAME, which states Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources., and WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, where point #1, #2 and #4 apply to Kenzan and the others. I don't have a fight in that matter though. Osh33m (talk) 20:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A note about the table

While the table does look exceptionally large, that is because it includes ALL of the installments in the series, which is the reason it is as big as it is. The table includes all the spinoffs, remasters, remakes, and major installments to cover the vastness of the series itself, to keep track of how many installments there have been to date. That's what makes it necessary. The timeline is there as well to round things off with just major installments. If it is removed again, I'll refer the user to this section. Osh33m (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Fist of the North Star: Lost Paradise Considered a Spin-off?

So apart from the same developer and game engine why is this considered a spin-off title they are not based on the same story or take place in the same universe or the same characters? and the article does no explanation on why this is considered a spin-off. thanks 64.251.72.74 (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is considered a spinoff because it is using the old game engine and employing the same gameplay, only with a different protagonist. --Osh33m (talk) 03:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yakuza 3 Michiru (drag queen) character substory

Dear All,

I am bringing this to wider attention as I have a life and a job so won't be able to tend much to preventing further vandalism by Cyberlink420.

User Cyberlink420 is trying to promote libel against SEGA and/or Yakuza development studio by pushing opinion piece articles claiming that a depiction of a drag queen character is trans-phobic.

If one were to think for themselves, one would realise you cannot be trans-phobic against a character that isn't trans-gender, much like you can't be a racist towards a character which is a straight, white, male.

So please do keep in mind and watch out for further edits by what appears to be promoter of malicious content (a.k.a. vandalism) by Cyberlink420.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.215.55.209 (talk • contribs)

I don't think you even understand what is being argued. The character is transphobic in the way they are portrayed through their depiction and actions, not because they exist. Yakuza 3 also has an actual trans NPC whose story is treated with much more dignity and respect, and other crossdressing characters who are treated like any other individual. Michiru, however, feeds into several negative stereotypes made about trans women such as through her sexually predatory behavior and unattractively-rendered character model, combined with Kiryu's constant misgendering of her. This is also not one opinion piece; multiple articles have called the Michiru content transphobic, while there are no sources that call the quests "drag-phobic" as you claim. Even the development team acknowledges that the content was transphobic, which is the whole reason it was removed from the remaster in the first place; to quote Nagoshi, "[Yakuza 3] is ten years old; back in the day, the perception of the LGBTQ community was different to how it is nowadays. It’s a different topic, with different ways of looking at it and talking about it, and so there are some substories that didn’t fit this modern spirit and so they had to be cut.". It's not your nor Wikipedia's responsibility to try and absolve Sega of fault, and your efforts would better be served elsewhere. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 July 2021

The request to rename this article to Yakuza (franchise) has been carried out.

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Yakuza (series) → Yakuza (franchise) – Per the naming convention guidelines in WP:NCVG#Media franchise. It is undisputable that this is a franchise, which consists of far more then just a main series of numbered video games, as there are several ancillary spin-offs that share certain themes. It also spawned book, film, radio drama, web series, tv series and stage play adaptations. Haleth (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per nom._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Egsan Bacon (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]