User talk:331dot/Archive 14: Difference between revisions

My IP address blocked. No idea what is the reason, maybe my fault or not my fault. I can't continue editing in wikipedia if blocked. Editing from 2402:1980:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 has been blocked (disabled) by ‪NinjaRobotPirate‬. IP address: 180.75.233.37 (should be it) Ngancheekean (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngancheekean (talk • contribs)

The mere fact that you could edit this page means that your account is not affected by a block. 331dot (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We are in a bilingual school, Édifice Filion. The school year will be over on June 2022, could you please block it into June 2022 to give us a chance for next year? CFDG123 (talk) 17:38, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You say that the French Wikipedia allows account creation; students may create accounts there and they will work here. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

So yeah, as I did write in the summery box, Sprey was never involved in the creation of the A10 (the part I removed). If you read any of the design documents, you will not find his name, or find him on any of the photographs taken of the design team. Whose name you will find in those documents is alexander Kartveli, the designer of P-47, F-84 and F-105, yet on his Wiki page the A10 is not even mentioned. You can read up some documents and find these details. It is a shame that Sprey was taking credit for someones creation, who died in 1974 and people still believe it. So I, with many others, would be happy to see Sprey gone from the A10s Wiki page, as his ideas which never made it in the aircraft (thank God) would have caused the plane to be worse than it is/was. Also, if I have to provide sources, it goes the same for the part with Sprey. I can also ask my friend to vouch for me, that I made the A10. Other than that saying that he was the creator, there is nothing to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SneakyStephano (talk • contribs) 12:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SneakyStephano We refer to the encyclopedic content here as articles, not pages. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. Unfortunately, we cannot accept personal accounts of something or people vouching for you as it must be possible to verify the information presented in an article. If the sources given in the article are not being summarized accurately, please tell us how on the article talk page, Talk:Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II. If the sources are being summarized accurately, but you disagree with what they say or they are in error, you will need to take that up with the sources, and/or provide additional independent reliable sources that can be verified that support your proposed changes. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NoReformers, SneakyStephano, 50.90.211.22, all the same person, all reverting the same material, which is easy to see in the article history. I just don't have time tonight to pursue it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings and Happy New Year, this new IP [[1]] continues to make unconstructive edits on Prince Marko page, even though they were warned on their talk page, and reverted by multiple editors, can something be done ? Thank you.Theonewithreason (talk) 07.Januar 2021 (UTC)

The user User:Hob Gadling has been violating several rules in Wikipedia, like WP:CIVIL * [2][3][4] where eh told some to f off, and WP:NPA [5], where he did a personal attack. He seems more of a troll and thus should be blocked. GregYoot (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have my sympathies - you got hoodwinked by a seventeen-edit-old fringey editor. TrangaBellam (talk) 22:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TrangaBellam I (obviously wrongly) assumed this was an immediate problem that needed to be addressed, given that I was approached directly, and as such I did not check the date. This is my error only; I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. 331dot (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies but who is the editor your talking about? GregYoot (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GregYoot I assumed that this problem was an immediate problem requiring attention now because you approached me directly. If you wish to report a longer-term habitual problem(I have not examined the entirety of the other user's record and don't intend to, so I don't know if that applies here or not), a venue such as WP:ANI should be used. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GregYoot now blocked as a sock. What a surprise.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Errors can be made by anyone with a beating heart. You are an amazing editor, Dot, and I appreciate your contributions on the Teahouse and across the encyclopedia in general. --ARoseWolf 19:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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BilCat (talk) 04:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 331dot,

Thank you for the swift response to my article.

I am not being directly or indirectly compensated for creating or editing Nikhil Chopra's page.

This is not a paid editing project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne Pinto at Chatterjee & Lal (talk • contribs) 12:30, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Pinto at Chatterjee & Lal You do not have to be specifically paid to edit to be a paid editor; any paid editing relationship with the subject triggers the disclosure requirements. If you are employed by the gallery, that counts as paid editing, even if you were not specifically paid to edit or specifically directed to edit. 331dot (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am messaging about the protected statis of Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II article as it currently prevents the needed editing of the article to include proper recognition of the lead designer of the A-X, Alexander Kartveli. The only designer credited in the article was a consultant not mentioned in any official records, Pierre Sprey. No members of the actual design team are mentioned. I realize that the article was placed into protected statis by as a result of repeated edits and reversions by multiple military Enthusiasts. To give context, Pierre Sprey is a controversial topic in the military aviation enthusiast community due to him repeatedly claiming to have created the designs of multiple military aircraft, including the F-15, F-16, A-10, and various unused designs. In reality he never helped design any of these models; with the only consulting he did that was related to any of these planes being with the F-15, where his consulting wasn't related to the design itself. This, along with his relationship with the "Reformers" and "Fighter Mafia", two groups widely despised in military enthusiast community as a whole, for reasons that need a better man than me to fully explain. However, I could care less about Sprey being in the article. What I do care about is that the lead designer of the project, a man who also developed the P-47, F-84, and f-105, is not given credit in the article. It's fine if you want to leave Sprey in the article but I want you to allow credit to be given to Kartveli, and to protect said credit from being removed by a reformer or any other biased/uninformed editors, as what occurred before you placed the article in its current protected statis. I apologize for not providing citations for my claims, as this this is the first edit I have done on Wikipedia and I haven't quite figured out how to add citations. Even if you don't believe me, I implore you to look into this matter further, or pass on the issue to an Admin you feel is more knowledgeable on the topic. Thank you, from a Concerned Enthusiast (talk) 07:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Concerned Enthusiast It's not a matter of me allowing anything or my personal knowledge; knowledge of the topic is not required to participate here. As someone with the administrator tools I(or any administrator) have no more authority than any other editor, I only have extra buttons that would be irresponsible for the entire Wikipedia community to have. I am curious as to the sudden interest in this article and its content; is there a concerted effort at work here or other means of prompting the interest of those interested in military aircraft?

If there is a dispute about the article's content, it should be discussed on the article talk page(Talk:Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II). Please understand that Wikipedia summarizes what secondary, independent reliable sources state. If the cited sources are not being summarized accurately, please describe how and the specific changes that are needed. If the sources are being summarized accurately, but are in error, that will either need to be taken up with the sources to get them to issue corrections, or you will need to provide more current independent reliable sources with the correct information. I don't know if you are correct or not- you may very well be, but it must be documented somewhere to be included here. This is necessary for verification purposes. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - you responded to UTRS appeal #52351. I received an e-mail from the appellant, complaining that nobody has got back to them; I don't think they received your e-mails, or realise that it's been closed. I don't particularly want to engage with them off-wiki, given the content of certain e-mails they've sent me in the past, but if they genuinely haven't received your e-mails I guess I have a duty to let you know. Is it possible for you to check to see whether there might have been a technical problem that might have affected outgoing emails? (Pinging Deepfriedokra, who also commented.) Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 07:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Girth Summit I don't know too much about the technical aspects of UTRS, but I think if they lost their appeal key they would not be able to get back into UTRS to see their appeal and its discussion. There is no obvious technical problem that I see; they can try making another request. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks - I'll let them know. Girth Summit _(blether) 10:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot, thanks for your fast response and providing additional links.

I read "other stuff exists" and I have a question: On the wikipedia pages for Bitcoin as well as Bitkub, the community cited and provided references for "Problems" eg when Bitcoin had issues and Bitkub overloaded their systems and the SEC had to step in. This is good, and this serves the cause of Wikipedia because it gives a big picture, verified view of the exchange as an entirety, problems they've faced, fixes etc etc. As opposed to an entry like car rental ZipCar, which even links to the models they have for rent. Who cares whether they have a 4-seater sedan for rent ha ha! Unless I understand it wrong, the purpose of Wikipedia is providing only factually correct, verifiable and non-promotional info, so I'm trying to understand on exactly which points the entry falls down. The references are third-party, objective and published in newspapers with strict editorial policies.

I've also read the "guidance on sanctions" section. I'll disclose on my user page. Thanks for the help so far. Not my intention to waste editors time, I'm still a rookie but I enjoy editing Wikipedia entries too, it's addictive. Best.

Tnatsnok (talk) 04:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tnatsnok I fixed your declaration template; the one you used was for article talk pages, not user pages.

Regarding your comment, it's not for the most part the publishers of the sources that are the issue, but the content of the sources. I will examine them below:

1. is a link to a profile of a founder of the company. Not significant coverage of the company.
2. is the same, for another founder.
3. is the reporting of the raising of capital, a routine business activity that does not establish notability(if you haven't, please read WP:ORG)
4. also describes the raising of capital, as well as what the company considers to be its goal. That is also not significant coverage; furthermore, the company can change its goal whenever it wants.
5. describes the raising of capital.
6. is very much like source 4.
7. also like source 4.
8. describes the raising of capital.
9. I cannot examine it due to a paywall, but based on what it is citing it seems to describe what an employee of the company did. That is about the employee, not the company itself, and as such does not establish the notability of the company.
10. does not mention the company at all. It's also a blog, which are not usually considered reliable sources as they usually lack editorial control.
11. also does not mention the company at all.
12. is a press release that does not mention the company at all.
13. does not mention the company at all.
14. I cannot examine it but it also does not seem to mention the company.
15. does not mention the company.
16. describes the failure of a completely different company.
17. does not mention the company at all, seems to be describing some aspect of attempting to pass laws in Australia.
18. does not mention the company.
19. is an announcement of the launch of the company's platform, a routine business activity.

This is where the draft "falls down". These sources are not appropriate for establishing the notability of the company. A Wikipedia article is not for merely telling about the existence of the subject and what it does(and many of your sources don't discuss the company at all). An article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say- it is not significant coverage to tell us that this company raises capital, that is a routine activity that most businesses do(unless there is some notable aspect of doing so like setting a worldwide record). I absolutely believe you that there are likely other articles with similar issues(this is part of the reason for special rules about cryptocurrency editing, being flooded with inappropriate articles) and we will eventually get around to them all, but that takes time.

The purpose of Wikipedia is not exactly "providing only factually correct, verifiable and non-promotional info", it is to summarize independent reliable sources with significant coverage. Please see the five pillars of Wikipedia. I hope what I have said here helps you understand the issues here. You are welcome to get the opinions of others at the same help desk, but I think you will be told largely the same thing. I don't expect people to just take my word, though. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you've been asked to edit by your company, feel free to show these messages about the draft to your superiors. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the detailed feedback 331dot, I really appreciate the time you took. Apologies for slow response. I'll keep an eye out for better sources and hope it "grows into" notability. All the best. Tnatsnok (talk) 08:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled upon vandalism of a public official and would like to see the page protected. I edited it back to remove the vandalism.

Here is the page:

Anne Milgram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckoian (talk • contribs) 23:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have redacted the edit history as well. Articles(not pages) are protected only due to ongoing, habitual vandalism that is difficult to stop with less invasive means; the user who made those edits can be blocked if they persist. That should be tried first, if needed. 331dot (talk) 00:06, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

331dot, you blocked Archer 0001 earlier today for vandalism after block. A new user, Archer 0002 has now started redirecting pages in the same way, this time sending Stand-up comedy to Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign. I think action may be needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:AN#Block of LittleFinn9. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:20, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Literally scroll down the page and look at the picture you provided for the stamp as well as ut's text label. 216.165.203.211 (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The micronation LaiNovies has not been mentioned in any other news articles. I will let you know when is.

--Cakepops or bust (talk) 16:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)Cakepops_or_bust[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Slatersteven (talk) 12:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot! I see you replied to Autist4lyfe at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Murdoch newspapers. Did you mean to post this at Wikipedia:Teahouse#How to correct an article? GoingBatty (talk) 14:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GoingBatty Yep, bet I did. I think I had both pages open. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about moving your comment to the correct section, but thought it might be better if you did it. GoingBatty (talk) 15:37, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I insisted I'm the IT manager of MBK Partners. How can I prove myself that I'm the employee here?

The editors(User:Imcdc) must register/change after confirming with our team before modifying the content, as unverified or outdated information may damage our company's reputation. For example, 1. using the information of users who have already left the company may be legally problematic. 2. Our head office is not in Seoul. 3. MBK Partners and MBK Partners Special Situations are different entities.Jjosso (talk) 01:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jjosso You don't need to prove you work for the firm, but you do need to make a formal declaration, please see WP:PAID for instructions. As you have a conflict of interest, you should not edit the article directly, instead you may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the talk page, Talk:MBK Partners, detailing changes you feel are needed. Preferably they should be sourced to an independent reliable source, but we would like to know about any inaccurate information. 331dot (talk) 01:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for your message, im sorry i will know what to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malloaded1 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please revoke talk page access for Gayelan? They have no intention of stopping their deliberately offensive comments. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, looks like Jauerback did already. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at WT:AFC § Copied-and-pasted draft?. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot. Since you're an admin and you are also listed as an AfC reviewer, perhaps you can sort this out. There's no indication that any of this editor's drafts were ever submitted to AFC for review; so, it's not clear why there are {{AfC submission}} templates on many of them now that they're articles. Maybe the templates were added by mistake? -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. Will comment there. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Codemiko would like her full name removed to protect her identity. I work for her manager and we have been trying to scrub her last name and correct spelling of her first name for weeks. Please perminately keep it as Yuna (no Youna Kang)at her request.. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbtheman (talk • contribs) 02:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't how this works. Since her name is sourced, there's nothing stopping another editor from just readding the information cited to those sources even if they did get removed. Codemiko has no right to control the content of the article about her except for requesting blatantly incorrect information be removed. You are also obligated to disclose your employment. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this on the article talk page, Talk:CodeMiko, so other editors that follow that article can be aware of this. What you are doing is like putting a genie back in its bottle- not easily accomplished, especially for a public figure whose name is out there, but we can hear what you have to say with regards to Wikipedia on that page. 331dot (talk) 02:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are two named accounts and an IP address that have been trying to do this for some time, but have still not made the mandatory disclosure required of paid editors. I think they need to do that before doing anything on the talk page of the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm blocked from editing anything All help is greatly appreciated 2600:1702:48D0:77C0:D8A4:62:4074:FA1E (talk) 17:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please log in to your account and request unblock on your user talk page, or if need be, via WP:UTRS. See the appeals guide for more information. 331dot (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Saw you reserved and released. Thoughts? I cannot see accepting, but I do not want to rush. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't have time to dig into it much, but you may be correct. 331dot (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed a recent unblock request you actioned and thought your should also be aware of this. (fyi) - wolf 16:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello; I don't see what the page you linked to has to do with the unblock request. 331dot (talk) 17:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi why did you revert that last edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:4000:12DE:A9DC:1:0:C056:73EA (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see your user talk page; please discuss any editing disputes on the article talk page instead of in edit summaries. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

The submission from my sandbox is to trial editing of the Electreon page and *receive feedback* on the draft. You didn't even read the updated draft from the sandbox, which has been changed substantially, incorporating the feedback from the last few days. Please do not accuse me of claims and jump to conclusions when you haven't even read what you are rejecting. Jacobariel91 (talk) 15:21, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jacobariel91 I only reiterate what I told you; it does not matter if you submit the draft under a different title. Rejected means rejected. You even got a second bite at the apple.. You must move on from this, or you will be blocked. Your persistence is becoming disruptive. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And your lack of logic/cognitive application here is sad. You rejected a draft. I fixed it taking feedback into account. You rejected again, ignoring the feedback given. What's the point of feedback then? What's the point of improvement? It has nothing to do with the title of the submission, it's the content that's important. I'm sure you are a fairly intelligent human, so I hope one day you will learn/acknowledge the central point of improvement and Wikipedia's mission of enabling access to noteworthy, significant information about people, places, and things written in a neutral point of view (hint: that's what this draft is). I hope to not report you for failing to adhere to Wikipedia's mission. What's the point of your involvement in this project if you are rejecting pages (and those that have taken feedback into account, especially) that discuss noteworthy, significant content from a neutral point of view? Jacobariel91 (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Am I free to remove the unblock messages from my talk page? I'd love to clean it up a bit. OrbitalDev (talk) 16:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OrbitalDev Yes, now that you are unblocked you may remove the messages. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 331dot. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.CiaPan (talk) 12:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, another admin took care of that already. Happy editing! CiaPan (talk) 09:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Afternoon,

May i know the reason why I’m blocked. I just edited and put correct info in. Smat99 (talk) 15:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

below the block notice on your talk page: i put correct information in and I haven’t removed any other information. Please unblock me. There is no reason to block meSmat99 (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Smat99 Please request unblock on your user talk page. You are blocked for disruptive editing. 331dot (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It might be a good idea to post about this somewhere to give people advice in case any of the Help Desks get questions like this. You responded that the person should contact Facebook, but there is no such thing as getting help from Facebook. They don't care.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vchimpanzee The point is that we at the Teahouse cannot help with Facebook problems. There are ways to contact Facebook; what Facebook does with those communications is their business. 331dot (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The least people could do is refer them to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing and maybe someone there will have ideas.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may or may not have seen this.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We(MBK Partners Limited)found that the following information does not reflect the current state. Some of them are outdated and the others are wrong.

The information on Wikipedia is very important to us. It should be corrected normally, because if someone forwards wrong information, it can cause real damage to the Firm.

- Abbreviation of MBK Partners is MBKP. not MBK - Our name is not MBK partners. It should be MBK Partners(Capital letter) - Headquarters: Jongno~ << wrong. Have to remove. - One of the Founder has already left our Firm and he should be removed(Kuo-Chuan Kung)'

1) It is the largest private equity firm based in South Korea. MBK partners head office is in Seoul with additional offices in Beijing, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Tokyo.

MBKP is not based in South Korea and its head office is not in Seoul.

2) MBK Partners’ investment focus is in North Asia, namely South Korea as well as China, Hong Kong and Japan. : MBK Partners balances its investments not primarily in South Korea but across the regions in North Asia.

3) It offers capital structure balancing, company merger, company acquisitions, financing consulting and other services. : This statement is false. MBK Partners does not offer these services.

Jjosso (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jjosso You have done the correct thing by proposing an edit on the article talk page; a volunteer editor will review your request in due course. In the interim, please make the required paid editing declaration, which is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a draft article named Ayush Dutta, but now I want to publish it, how to do... Joeluwa (talk) 10:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joeluwa Unfortunately your draft is in no shape to be published at this time. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about someone. For this person to merit an article, they must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources like news reports, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Please read Your First Article. Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, and it is even harder with a conflict of interest. It is usually recommended that new users first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well.

You declare a conflict of interest(which should be on your user page and the draft talk page, not the draft itself, see WP:COI for how to do that); if you work for Grasp Games you must make the stricter paid editing declaration, a Terms of Use requirement. Once you do these things, you may use Articles for Creation to submit your draft. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

• AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
• The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot,

If there is no problem, we'd like to change some information. The basic idea is exactly the same. We just added a bit of details. I have one more question, I read the 'Paid editing declaration" section you sent. However I can't still understand about it. Where can we put the information? Do I have to make a new section for the paid employee information?

1. Description [AS-IS] MBK Partners (MBKP) is a North Asian focused private equity firm.[2][3]

[TO-BE] MBK Partners is the largest independent North Asian private equity firm, with over $25.6 bn in capital under management. MBK Partners focuses exclusively on investments in its home markets of North Asia and has local investment teams based in its offices in Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai and Tokyo.

2. Overview [AS-IS] MBK Partners was founded in 2005 by Michael ByungJu Kim and several other senior Asian executives from the Carlyle Group.[4][5][6] In January 2022, a 13% stake of the firm was sold to Dyal Capital Partners.[6] MBK Partners has offices in Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai and Tokyo.[7] <<- It's on the description part The firm has two main businesses, Buyouts and Special Situations.[8] MBK Partners' investment focus is in North Asian regions, namely China, Japan and South Korea.[2][3][8]

[TO-BE] MBK Partners was founded in April 2005 by former senior investment managers from Carlyle Asia Partners and Carlyle Japan Partners, including the President of Carlyle Asia Partners, Michael ByungJu Kim. The firm has two main businesses, Buyouts and Special Situations. MBK Partners Buyouts acquires companies through management-led buyouts, buys subsidiary businesses through corporate divestitures, partners with strategic buyers, takes publicly listed companies private and purchases and grows companies through add-on acquisitions. MBK Partners Special Situations invests in customized, secured lending, secondary credit investments in stressed and distressed opportunities and non-control structured equity investments. In January 2022, a 13% stake of the firm was sold to Dyal Capital Partners

3. Information (Founders) [AS-IS] Michael ByungJu Kim [TO-BE] Michael ByungJu Kim and other former senior investment managers from Carlyle Asia Partners and Carlyle Japan Partners

Thank you for your prompt help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjosso (talk • contribs) 01:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jjosso The paid statement should go on your user page, User:Jjosso. It is already mentioned on Talk:MBK Partners. Your first edit request was accepted; please continue to make edit requests. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that there doesn't appear to be an active block on this account, although there really should be because of WP:CORPNAME. They have requested an unblock and name change anyway, hopefully that will be taken care of without requiring a block in the interim? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a block on Special:Contributions/Laplace Studio which is clearly the same user, so this would be block evasion. Lavalizard101 (talk) 17:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lavalizard101, the account Laplace Architecture was created before Laplace Studio and their edit history was entirely on French Wikipedia until recently. My guess is that they didn't know about the WP:SOCK policy, and they also seemed to be unaware that French and English Wikipedias are separate projects until I explained it to them. Not excusing their actions, but this seems more like ignorance than malice. So is a punitive block against the master warranted in this case, or just an appropriate admonishment and a rename? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the existing article 'Pakistan Engineering Company' but now I am unable to add pictures to it. Wikipedia keeps showing an error. And it also says the article is a stub underneath. Please let me know how to proceed forward with both. Mehr Miran Rakhi (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MehrMiranRakhi I have removed the stub tag. You will need to tell what the error message that you get is. I would note that if you work for or are otherwise associated with this company, you must make a formal declaration; please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 331dot,

Is it possible to revert the changes I've made to the article about my organisation? I want to get clarity on how to correctly make some changes and then go back and update.

Thank you,

Shera-talenthouse (talk)

(talk page stalker) :There is still no paid editing declaration on your user page. Please refrain from further editing until that is in place. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey 331dot, you reviewed and rejected an article I had been working on back in January known as Draft: Stem Player based on the tone of the article and the legitimacy of some sources.

Since then I have been working vigorously to try and remove any bias that may have been contained in the article, with tonal shifts and updated, more credible sources.

I would really appreciate any feedback or opinion on the latest version of the article. Thank you in advance. Woodlandsleisure (talk) 10:04, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Woodlandsleisure I had declined it, not rejected it; rejected would mean it could not be reconsidered. My views on the draft remain unchanged. The assertion of notability seems to hinge on this product's association with Kanye West; notability is not inherited by association and it is still largely sourced to mere announcements related to the product, not in depth coverage in independent reliable sources. However, feel free to resubmit it to get an opinion other than mine, as I make mistakes. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dot. Not sure if you remember you unblocked BurritoQuesadilla in July 2021, as a second chance. I don't think he's living up to it very well in this instance. It's not vandalism, so in that sense he has kept his promise, but I'd call it trolling and a waste of time. I also see some worrying warnings postdating your unblock on his page, as well as some worrying responses to them. (He was nice as pie in July, just after your unblock, but then it wore off.) I don't know if you might want to speak to him again? Bishonen | tålk 22:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, You recently made some suggestions on how to improve my article on the Ocean Peach People's Food Store that I found helpful. However when I resubmitted I got a very odd message as follows: "This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Bbb23 (talk) 19:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)" I was shocked to get such a blunt and untrue comment and then found that I can't even bring up a copy of my two articles that I am working on. Is this simply an aberration from an angry editor or am I doing something so wrong that I should be treated this way??? I wrote to Bbb23 to ask for help, but I thought I would also write to the last person who commented on my article to see if you might help me understand. Thank you, Davis DavisHayden (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DavisHayden I can see what Bbb23 was thinking; as other editors told you, the tone of the draft was very promotional in nature. It had three reviews and I could see how another editor might think that was enough chances. If you have communicated with them, you can explain what it is you want to do exactly and describe the sources you have. 331dot (talk) 01:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't reply to e-mail. If the user wants to discuss the problems with me, he can do so on his Talk page where I left the warning.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I had not checked their edit history, thought they used your talk page. Yes, that is what you should do, DavisHayden. 331dot (talk) 01:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm not that familiar with Wiki being new to it. I'll try to respond to Bbb23 on his talk page. I couldn't find it before, but did find yours so I'll retry. I can't see how it is promotional of the food store. It is just an article about how it started. If someone could point out directly what sentence they see as promotional, please point it out. Also, is there any way to get the page back up for editing or even so I can at least copy it for myself? Thank you for your quick response. DavisHayden (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Hey, Davis, I'm a member of a co-op here in Milwaukee myself, but the problem is that the article is too enthusiastic, too promotional and favorable. Language like "It was 'owned' by the people of the community and was focused on serving the needs of the community. Profit motive was usually not the focus of these cooperative stores and was not that of OBPFS" is not the dispassionate tone of a historian, it's the eager praise of an advocate. The fact that I find it appealing is irrelevant. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thank you very much. You are the first person to actually tell me what was objectionable! That is easy to fix. If I can only access the article, I can fix it. DavisHayden (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the only thing wrong with the article, just an example. The entire tone of the article is unencyclopedic. It's not quite as bad as the other article I deleted per G11, but it's bad enough. But it goes deeper than that. I have a fundamental problem with your creating these drafts. You have an obvious WP:COI, and your sole purpose at Wikipedia is to promote the school and the co-op. Your name is even mentioned in the co-op draft. I know you say that your involvement in the launching of the co-op was 50 years ago, but that doesn't erase your COI or your interest. I am not going to restore either of those drafts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, You guys are tough editors! Ok, I looked up ”Coop” under different ways about a year ago and found no articles on coops in Wiki, but upon trying again yesterday, I found a link buried in the article about coops that I probably missed. It was a list of coops in the US and some of them had published wiki articles. So, I will rewrite this article to follow how they wrote them and hopefully you will appreciate the changed ”tone”. Although I have hundreds of presentations and publications in academic journals, I have never attempted an encyclopedia article. I did not keep a recent copy of the article so can someone at least email me a copy of it so I can look it over and get the list of references? I know I have an "interest" in the food store but I will do my best to make this a neutral article.DavisHayden (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, you were the last reviewer of my draft 'The Walking Zombie 2'. Please check it once again; I have made extensive changes to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billapartygang123 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Billapartygang123 I was not the last reviewer, that was Liance(as noted on your draft). I am wondering if you have a connection to this game, if so, please read about conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 08:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Sir i thought you were the last reviewer and sir i have no connections with the game but i play the game in my free time. Will not disturb you next time sorry again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billapartygang123 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! You sent me seemingly an automated and very general message which claims that I made changes to an article about the alleged Snake Island incident, yet it's about a claim which doesn't have any sources. The burden of proof should be on the one who claims something happened, and not on others to prove it didn't happen. Therefore, instead of labeling the whole article as "fake news", I only added the word "allegedly", because as of yet there is no proof of the event actually having been taken place. As mentioned later in the article, the Ukrainian navy admitted that their initial report on the event was false. As the event created memes and a large impact, it would be unwise to outright delete it, but we also shouldn't have article about urban legends or outright fake news presented in a way as if they indeed happened. I though that adding the word "allegedly" was the softest and most neutral way to do so. --2A02:2F07:D60A:8D00:3872:33B:7421:5EFA (talk) 16:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The incident is not fake. It is on tape. It appears to be incorrect that the troops were killed, but that is all. In any event, it does not matter what you or I personally think about it; if independent reliable sources generally use the word "allegedly", please offer examples on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 17:50, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it is, then it requires citations. I added the citation needed tag. --2A02:2F07:D60A:8D00:3872:33B:7421:5EFA (talk) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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received and replied. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot I have been trying to publish a company profile with having a good amount of independent references but always my article gets declined https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PERICENT.

My competitors are also using promotional words and less amount of reference but still, they are on Wikipedia.

can you please check my draft and tell me the changes required — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pericentjaipur (talk • contribs) 07:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pericentjaipur Is there a particular reason you are now using a different account, with a more inappropriate username than the other account? In any event, Wikipedia does not have "company profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles, typically written by independent editors who take note of a subject receiving coverage in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. Wikipedia is not a directory of companies where mere existence merits inclusion- competitors meriting articles(if they do, they may not) does not automatically mean that your company can get an article too. See other stuff exists. Meriting an article depends on the sources.

I will repeat what I said at the AFC Help Desk: Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company and what it does. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company- and not based on any materials put out by the company like press releases or the mere reporting of its activities- showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Please read Your First Article.

If you are associated with this company, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May I know the reason for this " This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pericentjaipur (talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pericentjaipur If you are an employee of the company, you must make a formal declaration as a paid editor, this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory. See WP:PAID. Please respond to the username and account concerns I describe above. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have not addressed my grounds for the unblock - i.e. it was not edit warring as my edits were exempt from the edit warring policy. If you do not address this I will have to escalate this, and make it about your neglect of your admin responsibilities. Rebroad (talk) 18:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rebroad I'm willing to discuss this with you but mischaracterizations of this situation(I have "neglected" nothing) and threats will not get far with me. If you find my response unsatisfactory you are free to make another request for someone else to review, and any decision will be made by that reviewer, not me. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is now twice that you have neglected to address my basis for unblocking. Are you going to address my unblock request in full or not? Rebroad (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please read my earlier reply. Stop with making threats and mischaracterizations and we can talk. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Rebroad (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rebroad You are really overblowing your reaction to a one week partial block from a single article. I'm not sure what you expect to happen but I don't think you are going to get the result you want. I'm sorry you decided to go down this path when I offered you a different way. Good day. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

your words and your actions were not in alignment. you kept saying you were willing to talk, but you weren't talking! you were consistently avoiding talking about the subject I wanted to talk about - i.e. my unblock request. Rebroad (talk) 19:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC) Rebroad (talk) 19:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't respond to demands, threats, and mischaracterizations. I am not taking this personally at all. If you want to have a civil conversation, withdraw your ANI complaint(which is going to go nowhere anyway except to maybe get you a full block), stop with the demands, and have a conversation. I already told you what you can do if you found my request unsatisfactory. 331dot (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	Ice Cold Ice
	Excellent job keeping it cool and civil in the face of possibly frustrating circumstances. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick response of 24Aug2020 20:24 to my error 8 minutes before. My subject was John Cornyn and (from fatigue?) put Rick Perry into the edit. Wayne Roberson, Austin, Texas (talk) 20:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your discussions and work with this user. I can't help but chuckle a little though at the thought of having to qualify that Martin Luther claims that he had a dream, and JFK cannot be proven to believe that this nation should commit itself. Canterbury Tail talk 14:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You claim that you're thankful for the discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

you randomly came to my page? what do you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morefactswiki (talk • contribs) 15:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't random. Please discuss this further there. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i said what do you want? Morefactswiki (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

you're harassing me for no reason Morefactswiki (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

im not interested in talking to you, you've said nothing helpful Morefactswiki (talk) 15:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever noticed how anyone who has "facts" or "the truth" in their username has about a, oh I dunno, 97% chance of winding up blocked? Just a random observation.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking 95% but I'll go with that. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they've got The Truth™ and they're determined to spread it, like marmalade on bread (or more likely, like contaminated fertilizer on croplands). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like marmalade. ;) 331dot (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I like marmalade too; that's why I changed the metaphor around.

--Orange Mike | Talk 21:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In your response to my unblock request, you noted that User:Wugapodes was not involved - but that's a very narrow definition of involved. WP:INVOLVED says that " Involvement is construed broadly by the community to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors), and disputes on topics, regardless of the nature, age, or outcome of the dispute". As I'd been critical (as well as complementary) to aspects of the close on their talk page (diff 1, diff 2, diff 3) how is that not a current conflict? Surely Involvement should be construed broadly instead of narrowly. Nfitz (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So Wugapodes cannot block you because you expressed an opinion on their close? 331dot (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much - as it was related to the same dispute. If a clear-line (like a 3RR issue) then that would be different. Same way that a participant in a keep AFD isn't the one to close it - even with if the outcome is obvious. Nfitz (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a nifty way to become admin-immune. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) @Nfitz:, your novel interpretation of WP:INVOLVED is incorrect. If you are going to continue to object to the block, you'll need to address your behaviour that led to it instead of relying on a (misinterpreted) technicality.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nfitz Admins could do (or would be willing to do) very little under that interpretation. I would suggest you focus on the merits of your block. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You were not edit warring with Wugapodes. That would be involved. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a very narrow definition. Even a standard definition would require one to avoid even the appearances of involvement. If you were to follow what WP:INVOLVED said, then your course of action would be clear. That you choose to interpret the policy so narrowly doesn't sit well. Nfitz (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And your interpretation is so broad that no admin who ever interacted with you in any way or even simply did something to a page where you were involved without directly interacting with you could do anything to you. I don't think you are going to get anywhere with the community with that broad an interpretation. The idea that Wugapodes would block you out of some sort of revenge for expressing an opinion on something they did is nonsense to me. I again suggest that you focus on the merits of your block and not attempt to wikilawyer your way out of it. 331dot (talk) 08:30, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to go on record as stating that I have a strong opinion on an action of every single admin. I think it goes without saying, 331dot, that you can never take an admin action with regards to me, as I put the Ice Cold Ice messsage on your talk page above, and of course I've sent a thanks to Ponyo for taking care of some sock stuff. I've also said in the past that arbcom cases are no fun, so I expect if I'm involved in another arbcom case every arb will recuse. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Massively disagree. How you don't think that there is the possibility of the appearance of involvement I don't know. I fail to understand why Admins frequently take a thin-blue line approach to any transgression, defending poor admin decisions to the death. Whether a couple of reverts in a few minutes, by someone who hasn't been sanctioned for 3RR or edit-warring during the last decades is a different issue. Had an uninvolved admin made the same call, I wouldn't have blinked. To suggest that this restricts any admin from taking any action is absurd. Nfitz (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly what is absurd is your "thin blue line" comment. Ridiculous. I have not, to my knowledge, communicated with Wugapodes at least recently, if ever. I call out bad behavior when I see it no matter who does it and would do so if Jimmy Wales himself did something wrong. Wugapodes was not involved. Now if you really want to pursue your grievance- and I advise you against it- take it to the proper forum and get off my page. 331dot (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, little else to say. I didn't mean that personally - sorry if it caused offence. It's just a trend I see - and have seen here for decades ... that admins are treated with more discretion and lighter gloves than regular users - unless they really go overboard; I'd have expected a balance response to have been the block was fair but perhaps Wug wasn't the best to do it. Instead one admin won't even answer a polite question, and the other insists that Involved doesn't apply. We all know how challenging an admin at "the proper forum" invariably goes. Enough said ... moving on. Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction over this. Subsequently DanH1922 has started talking and things are being sorted out. However I wonder if I could ask your advice on one point. If you remember I noted that the username was exactly the same as the media contact for the Poppy Factory, and DanH1922 has subsequently confirmed that he is indeed the Senior Communications Manager. However SVTCobra thinks that this might be construed as WP:OUTING, see User_talk:Martin_of_Sheffield#WP:OUTING. Can you advise on this please? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted the sections on ANI and COI as well as the sentence in User talk:DanH1922‎‎. How do I "request oversight" and what is it? Should I stop editing now? Am I likely to be banned for this transgression? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK, I've found the section on oversight but it doesn't seem to apply in this case. However I've asked Oshwah who is an oversighter to do whaterver an oversighter does in this case. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Martin of Sheffield - I've oversighted the material in question. Next time, request oversight using private channels such as email, IRC, the oversight email address, or through the Volunteer Response Team. Never request oversight on Wikipedia (such as a user talk page), where information is public. This inevitably leads followers and watchers to the information that's supposed to be oversighted, which isn't good. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hi good morning. i have just gone through your edit actvity and pattern for pages related to India , specially 2020 delhi riots. i found that somehow you are supporting the poltitical left narrative on wikipedia which is not a good thing as wiki is intended to neutral. you seems to be an experinecd editor. it is expected that as a human your dharma is not only to make this website but this world to be a neutral and level palying ground for all of us. your activity and socio political inclination is not good for this website . as one of the founder of wiki already mentioned that wiki is biased. this is because of the support of peoples like you. its my hunble request to you to be fair for everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kopumila (talk • contribs) 02:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly suggest you stay away from this area, Kopumila, or you will be sanctioned sooner or later. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

see man, the voice that i want to be heard out is subject to sanctions in the past, sanctioned by left -liberal media, sanctioned by intellectuals, sanctioned by politicians..... sanction wont affect us , especially me anymore. what i have done here is only humbly given my msg to one of the esteemed admin to be neutral and fair...... this voice cant be sanctioned any moreKopumila (talk) 03:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]