File talk:BHS - high school diploma.tif
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- @Diannaa: I find it very rude that a decision was made without waiting for me to respond; this happens far too often. Wikipedia is about consensus, and if you just go ahead and make a decision before consensus is reached, not only is it an insult to those fighting to stop the change, but it shows how little you care for Wikipedia's values, guidelines, and policies, and makes them seem worthless.
- I believe that you can't even compare File:Mihail Sorbul High School Diploma.jpg to File:BHS - high school diploma.tif in terms of usefulness: one is a 100-year-old diploma from Romania; the other is not even a year old and from the United States, and also exemplifying the Regents Diploma, multiplying its usefulness far past that long-gone diploma. In response to Stefan2: please show me where that law is, especially that it applies to local governments and school districts. I'm skeptical because of the few California HS articles that have logos, none use the PD argument; if that argument were true, I would expect to see it in use and logos on nearly every page!--ɱ (talk) 22:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- The file fails NFCC #1: No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Your best course of action if you disagree is to open a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review. The deleting administrator was User:Ronhjones. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Just passing along the blame? No "I'm sorry, that was a poor action, I'll try to tell the real closing administrator to not do that for the future" or even any argument for doing that? This is why the number of editors here are declining; nobody gives a () about anyone else; whether it be respect or even mere consideration. Also, the file doesn't fail NFCC 1. I can't use File:Mihail Sorbul High School Diploma.jpg to exemplify a Regents diploma, a US diploma, or a contemporary diploma, while I could use File:BHS - high school diploma.tif to exemplify any of those. I will be happy to open a deletion review, although I'm positive it's hounded by deletionists with excuses just like I've had to deal with.--ɱ (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Stefan2, Diannaa, and Ɱ: If you want a US high school diploma, then just look at commons, a brief search found File:Benjamin Franklin High School - 1934.jpg, and I also found this free image File:High School Diploma (2554514719).jpg on Flickr (and moved to commons). There are probably more free images - they just need tracking down. Ronhjones (Talk) 21:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ronhjones: I can't be sure that you're completely wrong, but I am sure that both of those files should be deleted. The first was claimed to be created by the uploader. Unless the uploader is over 90 years old and just happens to be a professional calligrapher, I rather doubt that he created it. The second was licensed as CC on Flickr, but the diploma is still copyrighted, making it a derivative work of a non-free subject, and thus it is a non-free image--ɱ (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ɱ: First one is 1934 - so we go back to the old US copyright of that era. So the copyright would need to be claimed and renewed within 28 years of publication - it's been on commons for 5 years and we all know how picky they are there (and I'm also a commons admin!). No.2 - well there is a hint of a picture at the top, I'll chop off the top 200 pixels and then it's just {{PD-text}} for the text {{PD-signature}} for the signatures and {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} for the overall photo. As I said, I only had a brief search, if I can find 2 so quick, there must be more out there to find. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ronhjones: Well the copyright tag is still incorrect for the first photo, even if it is free. As for the second photo, what makes this one PD-simple and PS-signature and not File:BHS - high school diploma.tif?--ɱ (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ɱ: The copyright tag on No.1 is good for the whole scan of the item, it could do with something like {{PD-Pre1964}} for the content. File:BHS - high school diploma.tif has four distinct logos on it - that's brings in the copyright. You may also note that the image was a colossal, oversized, 22,536,192 pixels (12 million is the limit for correct display in Wikipedia), when we have a guideline of 100,000 pixels for fair use images - if it had been left then "Theo's little bot" would have reduced it from 5,376 × 4,192 to 358 x 279 pixels - such items never look good when reduced for fair use. Ronhjones (Talk) 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- NB: Although I said {{PD-simple}} above, note that the commons image has used c:Template:PD-text - commons has named their templates a little different to en-wiki). Ronhjones (Talk) 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- So you're telling me the only valid reason for deleting the file is because of three seals, one of which has a generic atom symbol, another with the public domain New York State seal, and the third with a small Briarcliff High school logo.--ɱ (talk) 22:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- NB: Although I said {{PD-simple}} above, note that the commons image has used c:Template:PD-text - commons has named their templates a little different to en-wiki). Ronhjones (Talk) 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ɱ: The copyright tag on No.1 is good for the whole scan of the item, it could do with something like {{PD-Pre1964}} for the content. File:BHS - high school diploma.tif has four distinct logos on it - that's brings in the copyright. You may also note that the image was a colossal, oversized, 22,536,192 pixels (12 million is the limit for correct display in Wikipedia), when we have a guideline of 100,000 pixels for fair use images - if it had been left then "Theo's little bot" would have reduced it from 5,376 × 4,192 to 358 x 279 pixels - such items never look good when reduced for fair use. Ronhjones (Talk) 20:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ronhjones: Well the copyright tag is still incorrect for the first photo, even if it is free. As for the second photo, what makes this one PD-simple and PS-signature and not File:BHS - high school diploma.tif?--ɱ (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ɱ: First one is 1934 - so we go back to the old US copyright of that era. So the copyright would need to be claimed and renewed within 28 years of publication - it's been on commons for 5 years and we all know how picky they are there (and I'm also a commons admin!). No.2 - well there is a hint of a picture at the top, I'll chop off the top 200 pixels and then it's just {{PD-text}} for the text {{PD-signature}} for the signatures and {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} for the overall photo. As I said, I only had a brief search, if I can find 2 so quick, there must be more out there to find. Ronhjones (Talk) 23:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Ronhjones: I can't be sure that you're completely wrong, but I am sure that both of those files should be deleted. The first was claimed to be created by the uploader. Unless the uploader is over 90 years old and just happens to be a professional calligrapher, I rather doubt that he created it. The second was licensed as CC on Flickr, but the diploma is still copyrighted, making it a derivative work of a non-free subject, and thus it is a non-free image--ɱ (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Stefan2, Diannaa, and Ɱ: If you want a US high school diploma, then just look at commons, a brief search found File:Benjamin Franklin High School - 1934.jpg, and I also found this free image File:High School Diploma (2554514719).jpg on Flickr (and moved to commons). There are probably more free images - they just need tracking down. Ronhjones (Talk) 21:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Just passing along the blame? No "I'm sorry, that was a poor action, I'll try to tell the real closing administrator to not do that for the future" or even any argument for doing that? This is why the number of editors here are declining; nobody gives a () about anyone else; whether it be respect or even mere consideration. Also, the file doesn't fail NFCC 1. I can't use File:Mihail Sorbul High School Diploma.jpg to exemplify a Regents diploma, a US diploma, or a contemporary diploma, while I could use File:BHS - high school diploma.tif to exemplify any of those. I will be happy to open a deletion review, although I'm positive it's hounded by deletionists with excuses just like I've had to deal with.--ɱ (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- The file fails NFCC #1: No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Your best course of action if you disagree is to open a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review. The deleting administrator was User:Ronhjones. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2014 (UTC)