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Hi all. A fellow Australian contributor (@DeadlyRampage2) had a discussion with me today on page Talk:Fatima Payman regarding the exact placement of foreign-origin names not written in a Latin script. He objected to my usage of the "native_name" parameter of Template:Infobox officeholder for including the Persian name. He says that it is not conventional for articles included in WikiProject Australian politics to use that infobox parameter. Hence we agreed to move the name out of the infobox to the lead section.

Is this indeed a convention specific to Australia-related biographies? The "native_name" parameter is used quite widely across infoboxes on the site. After I concurred with his suggestion of moving Payman's secondary name out of the infobox, that fellow contributor has removed the parameter from infoboxes of other people (e.g. edits [1], [2]), claiming "consensus on Australian politician pages".

I have not been involved in Wikiproject Australia discussions (or with Australian editors in general) and would appreciate some insight. I am of the view that an indiscriminate pursuit of removing usages of the parameter could contribute to Wikipedia:Systemic bias along cultural lines, as such infoboxes illuminate significant cultural heritage and are also useful to certain multi-lingual readers like myself. I write here because there is clearly no site-wide rule. I'm curious about whether there has been prior discussion on this specific issue within Wikiproject Australia.

Thanks! Y. Dongchen (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to say that I reject it is a culture bias. Not only do I find that offensive as a multicultural Australian, but it also goes against Wikipedia rules as is required by Wikipedia:AGF which states that there is a required assumption among editors that another member is geniunely engaging in an edit in good faith. I would also ad that I have found 2 articles, of which you have mentioned above. 2, out of hundreds of Australian multicultural politicians, that are clearly in the minority as to whether script of another language is to be used in the infobox. It is commonplace for multicultural policians to have the script of their native language in the lead paragraph and not in the infobox, especially not both. In conclusion, I would also add that in many wikipedia infoboxes, a parameter can actually be added, however contain nothing in it, which is actually quite common, and this may skew the results of your research. Thanks DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 13:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sincerely apologise if you feel hurt by my formulation of the message. I want to say that I had no intention of disenfranchising you. I did not characterise your edits as "trolling" or "vandalism". I have consistently engaged with you via talk pages in a polite way. I hope you understand. Indeed my message here is too harsh in hindsight. I am sorry about that. Y. Dongchen (talk) 14:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its all good. Im just trying to get my point across that im not doing this in bad faith. I am simply following through with the same standards for most of the Australian politician pages by extending them to the few outliers. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 14:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Your many draft articles are commendable. I haven't and won't interfere with any of your removal of those Australian political figures' "native_name" from infoboxes until someone else can provide some guidance. It did indeed look like I was suggesting you're a overt racist. Sorry again about the formulation of the message. Y. Dongchen (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, there is currently a discussion ongoing on Talk:Jillian Segal which relates to Australian politics as it is discussing the merits of including the political leanings of certain organisations, and the recent appointment of Segal as envoy on Antisemitism by the federal gov. Any perspectives people have would be appreciated. Many thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jillian_Segal#Proposed_sentence GraziePrego (talk) GraziePrego (talk) 06:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi folks, could someone please provide a comment at Talk:Socialist Alliance (Australia)#Disagreement on ideology - needing input.

There is a summary of the discussion so far at the bottom of the topic. FropFrop (talk) 07:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure exactly who on Wiki to complain to about this but for the past few weeks any efn note in an election infobox is just...broken

See for instance 2008 Lakemba state by-election

Wondering if anyone here knows either how to resolve this/who to speak to, cause if this isn't fixed soon the efns may as well be removed and replaced with general dot points at the bottom instead Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should be fixed now. It was due to an edit a few weeks ago on Template:Election box candidate AU party. Steelkamp (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep looks good now! Thank you Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 01:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]