Talk:List of nicknames used by Donald Trump

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Reminder of 2021 RfC guidelines for nicknames

Just a friendly reminder to any editors that per the 2021 RFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump/Archive_1#RfC_on_inclusion_criteria, any nicknames in the list must be:

Described as a nickname by at least one secondary, independent, reliable source.

Described as being used by Trump by at least one secondary, independent, reliable source.

Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions.

There should be lasting coverage of the nickname.

Usage of these guidelines led to some significant trimmings of the list, and may require more (in particular the “lasting coverage” guideline excludes many of Trump’s nicknames). Dingers5Days (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then this page needs a whole revamp because plenty of these have not been used multiple times. TheXuitts (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to delete nicknames that have only been used once; I think most of the one-offs were scrubbed. Usually the best way of telling this (IF they began usage during or before Trump’s presidency) is to search the nickname on factba.se which has pretty much everything Trump has said publicly until January 2021. Dingers5Days (talk) 04:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right but it's very difficult to remove them all. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 23:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should really make this a formal FAQ-like entry at the top as it pops up frequently. Zaathras (talk) 05:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why though? If he has used it then he's used it. Why does it need multiple uses to get on here? Its like saying Leicester City haven't won the Premier League because it only happened once. Furthermore, why is a truth/tweet from Donald Trump not a reliable source? its literally straight from him — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:C612:DD00:64D9:5E89:D089:9F58 (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, among other reasons. Donald Albury 17:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Phoney Fani Willis should be included though surely, its quite a major one Helpful24 (talk) 09:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trump has not used the nickname besides one Truth Social post in August 2023--if he has, no reliable source has noted it. [1] Dingers5Days (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, that's a shame, sad times Helpful24 (talk) 16:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did he invent these nicknames?

There's a kind of consistent genius in many of these nicknames, and there are so many. It makes me think he didn't invent them spontaneously, but are the product of a professional group that first tests variations on a group to see which one gets the best reaction. The article doesn't discuss it, but surely someone has discussed it somewhere. -- GreenC 02:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fat Alvin

New nickname for Alvin Bragg (source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/11/trump-bragg-trial-insults-rally-vulgar/). Probably a riff on "Fat Albert". I don't know how to edit this properly to do myself. 99.227.156.90 (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only been used once, to my knowledge, so doesn’t fit the guidelines (yet). Dingers5Days (talk) 15:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crooked Hillary and Crooked Joe deserve their own articles

Besides Sleepy Joe, the other two most well known nicknames used by Trump was “Crooked Hillary” for 2016 and then “Crooked Joe” for 2024. I feel as they are the other two nicknames mostly associated with Trump and with how much attention it got, they both deserve an article. Vinnylospo (talk) 04:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If reliable sources exist that cover these two nicknames in depth, you could potentially create articles out of them. Keivan.fTalk 01:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Harris nicknames and "lasting coverage" requirement

I have twice removed all of the nicknames Trump has used for Kamala Harris because I believe they all fail the "lasting coverage" requirement that the 2021 RfC stipulated ("There should be lasting coverage of the nickname"). This is a rather ambiguous phrase, so definitions may differ based on the editor; however, I think two weeks is not nearly enough time to pass muster. There's also been an increase in quickly including nicknames freshly coined by Trump, but only used once. Because of WP:CRYSTAL, we cannot assume Trump will continue using the nickname and editors should wait to see if the nicknames meet the RfC guidelines.

Or, if there is sufficient consensus, we could scrap the RfC and create new nicknames guidelines. I assume Trump will be coining many new nicknames as the election heats up. Dingers5Days (talk) 21:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG DISAGREE - Most of the nicknames used for Kamala have been mentioned more than five times in rallies and Truth Social tweets over two weeks, receiving media coverage. Remember, these are nicknames; if he says it, it should count.
As per Wikipedia rules, the current names should stay until we have more of a consensus. John Bois (talk) 00:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I very much agree with John Bois that the nicknames for Harris should remain. Trump has indeed used them many times, far more than many other names that have been appropriately added to this list.
I also agree that it meets the rules for coverage as the media has reported extensively on the ways in which he refers to Kamala Harris, including calling her names and intentionally mispronouncing her name. 195gadowikchxbdjr (talk) 02:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of "Dangerously liberal Kamala", Trump never said it; it was only used in a campaign ad. "Kamala Crash" has been used more than once, but I would wait to add it since the nickname was in response to an ephemeral market event. "Kamabla" was also only coined today. I don't want to go nickname by nickname, but the additions have been rash.
I'm also worried about the recent influx of nickname additions, old and new, which were only used once or previously removed. Editors previously expressed concern about the inclusion of many nicknames that did not meet the RfC. Dingers5Days (talk) 03:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Kamabla" should be on the list as Trump has said it about seven times on Truth Social and once at a rally. Additionally, the media has been covering it extensively.
I agree that "Kamala crash" should be removed, as it refers to an event, not a nickname for her. I have undone your changes again; please remember we keep the status quo until we reach a consensus. John Bois (talk) 09:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "lasting coverage" question is one thing, but there is no dispute about nicknames only being used once; I have removed those. Dingers5Days (talk) 15:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m okay with all the names you removed, and you also forgot one: Kamala Crash, as that’s not a nickname but refers to an event. If you could remove that for me, I’d greatly appreciate it.
One name I disagree on is Little Brian / Little Brian Kemp. I believe Little Brian Kemp should stay, as he used it multiple times—twice at rallies and twice on Truth Social.
I will update the sources for that by end of today. John Bois (talk) 15:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the guidelines should be scrapped. The requirement for "lasting coverage" is unreasonable during election season. Let's create new guidelines. Chillaxer45 (talk) 02:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WEAK DISAGREE - Current guidelines for the nicknames are perfect and well-used. Removing the "lasting coverage" criterion would make it very easy for one side to push a political narrative. New guidelines should be considered after the election. The only thing that needs to happen is to define what "lasting coverage" means more clearly. John Bois (talk) 02:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying to remove the "lasting coverage" criterion. I'm saying it's too vague, especially during election season. I mean we could call it "revised guidelines" if that means anything. Chillaxer45 (talk) 02:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to add a new topic about this I’d like to hear your ideas. John Bois (talk) 02:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definition for "lasting coverage"

It has become clear that we need some kind of working definition for the criterion of "lasting coverage of the nickname." This criterion is simply too vague and subjective which is leading to disputes as to whether certain nicknames should be included. From reviewing the discussion in the 2021 RfC, this criterion is related to the preceding criterion ("Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions") in that both criteria are meant to prevent the list from being filled with “nicknames” that are really just one-off insults. In other words, the idea for "lasting coverage" seems to be that there should be more than one "round" of coverage. That being the case, I suggest we use a definition that ties the third and fourth criteria together. As a starting point for discussion, I'll throw this out:

"Lasting coverage of the nickname" – coverage for each of the two separate occasions meeting the previous criterion. Chillaxer45 (talk) 11:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I largely agree with this definition. If you look back at who advocated for including a "lasting coverage" criteria, those editors said that coverage of one particular "tweetstorm" where Trump may use a nickname twice but only in the span of a day or two should not count. Reliable sources must cover the nickname at some later time, separate/discrete from that initial flurry of tweets/Truths. I think a distance of about a month or longer is a good yardstick. However, if the next round of coverage comes from an article or two that's simply collating Trump's best nicknames, that shouldn't be sufficient. Dingers5Days (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another entry for "Crazy Nancy"

I'd like to add another source for "crazy Nancy". I tried to add it but couldn't get past the CAPTCHA. This is what I tried to add: 

49.3.244.73 (talk) 07:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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