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This clearly isn't a short post-coup conflict anymore 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:ACAC:6FC7:C632:32DE (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No sources are calling it THIRD. The civil war is more plausible but there is still no consensus. Borgenland (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a civil war its a conflict between the paramilitary and the country SDUpdates32349 (talk) 15:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the "This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably." should be considered resolved as there is enough subheading to make the entire article more easily to digest. Eason Y. Lu (talk) 00:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Having an entire separate section on peace efforts doesn't make much sense to me, because efforts to achieve peace have not been separate from the actual fighting and as a result the 'Peace efforts' section has become bloated with one-sentence paragraphs that do not really belong in the article per WP:UNDUEWEIGHT, and which has also given the article far too many section titles that clog up navigation. I reckon that the Treaty of Jeddah (2023) and any subsequent important negotiations can be far better covered in the Course of the war section. Thoughts? Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I agree. Now that the section in question has become quite stale. Borgenland (talk) 02:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This war doesn't appear to be on course to end this year, and it's almost 2024. This is a minor change, but reflects the fact the conflict shows no end in sight.

Per Sudan War Monitor, the latest talks between the commanders of the 2 sides--Hemedti (RSF) and al-Burhan (SAF)--are scheduled to meet sometime soon, but shows no sign of ending the war.^[1] JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Made a move request below. Bremps... 04:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• War in Sudan (2023) → War in Sudan (2023–present) –

or * B: War in Sudan (2023) → War in Sudan
or * C: War in Sudan (2023) → Sudanese civil war (2023–present)
or * D: War in Sudan (2023) → Sudanese civil war
or * E: War in Sudan (2023) no change (You can add other name suggestions if you think that it is appropriate)
With almost a week left for this year to end, I think it is about time we start the discussion for renaming this article (Admins please don't move the article before 1/1/2024)
Bremps... 04:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Option A preferably, otherwise option B. This isn't a big change, just accounting for the fact the war will most likely continue into 2024. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

B Saying that its not a civil war by now is outright false, and more media outlets are using civil war. Lukt64 (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, if we are going to call it a civil war we will have to call it the Third Sudanese Civil War, as First Sudanese Civil War and Second Sudanese Civil War already exist. I would support such a change, as "War in Sudan" is an incredibly clunky term that is impossible to use well within the article, and most reliable sources have been calling this a civil war for months. Devonian Wombat (talk) 20:29, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not Third Sudanese Civil War, that term is actually used more to refer to the Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile than it's used to refer to this present conflict. - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 21:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A, unless sources are constantly using "civil war" to describe the conflict (which they're not, afaik) - presidentofyes, the super aussa man 21:23, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A or B probably; but A would be a lot better TheLibyanGuy (talk) 22:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Needless fiddling. Wait for 2024 sources. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: wait for 2024 or use "Sudan conflict" (maybe "Sudan war") as it been used by the [BBC consistently] and does not have an year issue FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. 2024 is here and the war is still ongoing, article name needs an update. - Creffel (talk) 03:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support with option A being best for now I think, for the same reasons as above. It's 2024 now and there are sources to show it is continuing. MariahKRogers (talk) 00:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support A until such time as the war aquires a widely used name among journalists or historians. Babakathy (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support A, weaker support for C. Apologies, my phone keyboard doesn’t allow straight quotes. Borgenland (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]